If enough people complain about the layout they will keep it, right?
I'm guessing the changes were made to better position advertising content and allow for easier feed sharing and monitoring. If brands can join "the conversation" at a simple level like a Facebook/MySpace fan page they can then select and focus more attention on their best supporters. Probably the only post-Beacon way for Facebook to justify the previous valuations to Fox and investors. FB needs a business model and revenues more that Twitter does, but look at all of the companies launching their own Tweet streams and community building activities. That quick response and sharing of a link is very simple to do on Twitter.
Back to the layout issue - why not let the users design their page and even pay a premium for first run content? If asking for money doesn't work, they can at least build their databases of user info and preferences.
Pete
· 1 year ago
I really *love* the new Facebook design.
Seriously, I think it's awesome.
*ducks to avoid flying projectiles*
Paul
· 1 year ago
I prefer the old style, it works better on the small screen of my Asus eeePC, but I guess we are not going to have a choice. The new design looks ok, but when you begin to use it, it is not as logically laid out as the old one. Still when has logic mattered, all my favourite sites seem to be having detrimental make overs.
jason
· 1 year ago
i still don't see how .2% of the facebook population can be considered significant. 10%, that's where we start to get into the realm of significance. like 35%, the number of people who have already switched to the new style.
and to people's points of "if it ain't broke don't fix it", that's a stupid way to live. so we're not supposed to have progress? if that were the case we'd never have this wonderful thing called the internet. there was never a huge, worldwide cry for a place where people could post their random thoughts and pictures of cats playing the piano yet here it is and people learned to adapt to what is offered. it's called moving forward, change even, and if you don't like when a website changes you can go somewhere else or build your own site. plus, how do you know it's not broke? do you work at facebook? are you a developer there?
epthorn
· 1 year ago
"If it ain't broke, don't fix it" doesn't mean you can't have progress; it refers to the tendency of organizations to **** up a perfectly workable model, product, policy or plan because they can't leave well enough alone. There are already millions of users in the groups unhappy with the new facebook, and that seems to indicate that there might be a problem here.
Now, you may like the new facebook. I happen to disagree, for several reasons. First, it is unnecessarily cluttered with bandwidth using items. Second, it is decidedly aesthetically unpleasing, continuing to look less and less like facebook and more like MySpace; when I decided to join facebook and not the latter I did so because Facebook was uncluttered, easy to read, and had a simple premise. Everything's right there. If I wanted all the applications and mess of MySpace, I would go there. Additionally, the required integration of the mini-feed with the wall is not only visually unappealing, but absurd. I don't care what people are doing. I really don't. I don't even want to know what some people are doing. I especially don't want to know what a few people are doing. It was bad enough to create the minifeed and force it on us; worse yet to make it so that it could not be collapsed. But now I have to wade through all this muck to get to the items that are actually directed to me (i.e. the wall)?
All this would be fine as an option. I accept that there are some people who are wrong, immoral and will like the new facebook. However, MyFace decided once again to take any choice away from the users. Why? It was not difficult to have the two systems; they proved that for weeks. Nor would they have to worry about updating the 'legacy' version. I'm pretty sure most people now complaining would be happy with facebook as it is... maybe as it was when it began. No, I suspect they are forcing everyone to use this version so that they can more effectively use ads.
Anyone know another 'social networking site' (I hate that term) that doesn't suck as hard?
modemlooper
· 1 year ago
I'm all for paying to have customization. I have friends who pay for flickr never saw the value in that but for premium facebook I do. It's way better than myspace in quality and I think people would pay for better options. Banner ads are dead. Integrated marketing concepts are in so for them to make users pay is not out of the question. What would users get for a pay service; custom profiles, free classified listings; more upload bandwidth. Forget making money with lame banners nobody clicks. People will pay for premium services if it's of value.
modemlooper
· 1 year ago
that 220,000 could be power users and that is significant
Andrew
· 1 year ago
Come on you guys! I really can't stand people rejecting the old facebook, just because they don't like the looks of it. Just like Stan, I switched over to the new facebook system as soon as it was available. And yes, I did find it a bit confusing at start. But with the more use of it, I came to conclude that it is indeed less cluttered and better laid out. The user controls more of what is published to the public, and chooses what to show and what not.
Further more, it's all a matter of getting used to it. It's like moving to a new apartment; at first it seems awkward sleeping in a new bed, but later on, it becomes your home.
As internet evolves, so do websites. You can't have a website without redesigning it, not just aesthetically, but function-wise too. New features, new privacy options etc etc etc.
And to be honest, that's what facebook was all about; Networking, connecting with friends you already know, long-lost classmates from high-school or even childhood friends you never thought you could meet or exchange a hello again. And not just playing scrabble or poking or whatever. That comes next.
Get over it already..
chris
· 1 year ago
the new facebook is buggy. I made the switch immediately, and liked the new design and the focus on the feed. however, i am an online community manager for a non-profit and much of my job is through a facebook fan page. the page editor was so buggy i had to switch back. For a while I checked back every week or so and still tons of bugs! For example, the simple act of moving a box around didnt work (on refresh it was moved back or to a new place).
Does anyone know if these bugs have been fixed?
Jake Lockley
· 1 year ago
My biggest gripe about the new design is putting user status's on a tab and listing them all under that tab. I liked having the most recent 3-4 user status updates on right at all times rather than having to click on a tab and getting a history of user status updates with comments on their status. The tabbed version of it is cluttered and doesn't show all the users most recent updates, it shows all the updates sorted by date updated.
So in the new design if one user updates their status 50 times in one day and no one else does, that's all I see, one user, and they don't give you a choice about it.
Adam Zand
· 1 year ago
Only gripe from me is the lack of tiles for my Entourage application. It was an easy way to go to someone's page. It that's up or someone has a way to tile all friends I'm in. BTW, isn't that why it's called FACEbook - you see the faces!
There you will find a tutorial on how to switch it. Along with a explanation of why you might as well get used to it.
Ashly
· 1 year ago
I think the New Facebook takes and breaks what was simple, elegant and useful and replaces it with a variety of tabs that hide, disassemble and confuse the carefully crafted narratives and preferences that millions and millions of users chose with purpose. There is about 400 percent more advertising space on the New Facebook. Um, yay? Did we want that?
The new facebook is definitely an adjustment. Maybe I'll eventually get used to it. As for now, I'm frustrated that us users don't have a choice to choose between the old and the new version.
K-Rax
· 1 year ago
But Facebook isn't listening to the simple suggestions it's customers are giving them in droves and scores, and Facebook is treating it's bread and butter users with contempt and disdain. Bring back the applications. Introduce a toggle to the old format which had a small enough memory footprint to do this. Allow the pics format grid to be customizable by the user to 4x5/5x4 and other display arrangements. Allow all the pages to be customizable by the user. This is all simple and doable. There was already the Developer app that allowed the old. Embed that into the code. That worked GREAT! I will sit back for the next week and expect this to get done.
Mariana
· 1 year ago
the old facebook let you collapse anything, so there was really no clutter, the new one doesn't allow this, and this is a huge problem. i don't want to see all the aplications, or all the boxes, because it is of no interest to me, even if i do have a certain application (and even if it is in a different tab). i want to be able to chose what i see in full size (the whole box or whatever) and what i don't see (just the titles of the boxes). also, the fact that the wall is now mixed with the mini-feed is not appealing, they are different things and should be kept in separate parts.
Sarkastik
· 1 year ago
Some of you guys pose serious requests, why don't you contact the developers? Instead of wishing for the old why not help in the refinement and progression of the new?
Unfortunately there hasn't been much sane or rational discussion on the Facebook redesign (frontend and backend). When I searched on Google much of what comes up is the same lame "WE WANT OLD FACEBOOK!!1!!1111!" comments. This is probably one of the few posts that actually discusses it in a mature manner.
Okay I searched cause I was curious what all the fuss was about and if anyone had analysed what is going on. For me personally I've gotten used to the new Facebook, sure it could still improve but it has a lot more subtle updates that I really like and you only notice as you use the new system.
"...that 220,000 could be power users and that is significant..."
I disagree, sadly many of the users who want the old version are the same 'Myspace' types who have 100 apps and post inane comments on the discussion groups. Okay, okay I'm not saying that some of you above are like that. But judging from much of the discussion and hysteria on the groups and internet I see about 99.98% "I hate it don't change" reasoning without any valid reason behind it???
If those 'power users' really hate the change I'd rather be hearing logical arguments on how to improve instead of the insults and wild eyed ranting going on.
I say bravo to the other tens of millions of users who have made the switch and moved on with their lives, yes their real active offline lives :P
Alexis
· 1 year ago
ok...LESS cluttered? What's in the water over there? I liked it back when facebook was just your homepage with a list of quotes, music, movies, comment box...it slowly was growing out of hand with the mini feeds and the superwalls...and now it's a clusterfuck. Now facebook is about everything but me.
alexandria treadaway
· 11 months ago
ok so how am i supposed to put a layout on this...NEW..."upgrade" if thats what you wanna call it...it took 5 minutes of this upgrade to piss me off...whats ccs..?
Dan Course
· 8 months ago
We've given up trying to change our facebook back. Started editing it instead :)
the new switch is why im just quting facebook...you guys were getting way better than myspace... but this new layout screwed it alllllllll up. GO MYSPACE !!! FACEBOOK SUCKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Asif
· 3 months ago
New Facebook is very much user friendly. I used to.
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I'm guessing the changes were made to better position advertising content and allow for easier feed sharing and monitoring. If brands can join "the conversation" at a simple level like a Facebook/MySpace fan page they can then select and focus more attention on their best supporters. Probably the only post-Beacon way for Facebook to justify the previous valuations to Fox and investors. FB needs a business model and revenues more that Twitter does, but look at all of the companies launching their own Tweet streams and community building activities. That quick response and sharing of a link is very simple to do on Twitter.
Back to the layout issue - why not let the users design their page and even pay a premium for first run content? If asking for money doesn't work, they can at least build their databases of user info and preferences.
Seriously, I think it's awesome.
*ducks to avoid flying projectiles*
and to people's points of "if it ain't broke don't fix it", that's a stupid way to live. so we're not supposed to have progress? if that were the case we'd never have this wonderful thing called the internet. there was never a huge, worldwide cry for a place where people could post their random thoughts and pictures of cats playing the piano yet here it is and people learned to adapt to what is offered. it's called moving forward, change even, and if you don't like when a website changes you can go somewhere else or build your own site. plus, how do you know it's not broke? do you work at facebook? are you a developer there?
Now, you may like the new facebook. I happen to disagree, for several reasons. First, it is unnecessarily cluttered with bandwidth using items. Second, it is decidedly aesthetically unpleasing, continuing to look less and less like facebook and more like MySpace; when I decided to join facebook and not the latter I did so because Facebook was uncluttered, easy to read, and had a simple premise. Everything's right there. If I wanted all the applications and mess of MySpace, I would go there. Additionally, the required integration of the mini-feed with the wall is not only visually unappealing, but absurd. I don't care what people are doing. I really don't. I don't even want to know what some people are doing. I especially don't want to know what a few people are doing. It was bad enough to create the minifeed and force it on us; worse yet to make it so that it could not be collapsed. But now I have to wade through all this muck to get to the items that are actually directed to me (i.e. the wall)?
All this would be fine as an option. I accept that there are some people who are wrong, immoral and will like the new facebook. However, MyFace decided once again to take any choice away from the users. Why? It was not difficult to have the two systems; they proved that for weeks. Nor would they have to worry about updating the 'legacy' version. I'm pretty sure most people now complaining would be happy with facebook as it is... maybe as it was when it began. No, I suspect they are forcing everyone to use this version so that they can more effectively use ads.
Anyone know another 'social networking site' (I hate that term) that doesn't suck as hard?
I really can't stand people rejecting the old facebook, just because they don't like the looks of it.
Just like Stan, I switched over to the new facebook system as soon as it was available.
And yes, I did find it a bit confusing at start.
But with the more use of it, I came to conclude that it is indeed less cluttered and better laid out.
The user controls more of what is published to the public, and chooses what to show and what not.
Further more, it's all a matter of getting used to it.
It's like moving to a new apartment; at first it seems awkward sleeping in a new bed, but later on, it becomes your home.
As internet evolves, so do websites.
You can't have a website without redesigning it, not just aesthetically, but function-wise too.
New features, new privacy options etc etc etc.
And to be honest, that's what facebook was all about; Networking, connecting with friends you already know, long-lost classmates from high-school or even childhood friends you never thought you could meet or exchange a hello again. And not just playing scrabble or poking or whatever. That comes next.
Get over it already..
Does anyone know if these bugs have been fixed?
So in the new design if one user updates their status 50 times in one day and no one else does, that's all I see, one user, and they don't give you a choice about it.
Nah. People are just afraid of change.
There you will find a tutorial on how to switch it. Along with a explanation of why you might as well get used to it.
http://www.unboundedition.com/content/view/8005....
Unfortunately there hasn't been much sane or rational discussion on the Facebook redesign (frontend and backend). When I searched on Google much of what comes up is the same lame "WE WANT OLD FACEBOOK!!1!!1111!" comments. This is probably one of the few posts that actually discusses it in a mature manner.
Okay I searched cause I was curious what all the fuss was about and if anyone had analysed what is going on. For me personally I've gotten used to the new Facebook, sure it could still improve but it has a lot more subtle updates that I really like and you only notice as you use the new system.
"...that 220,000 could be power users and that is significant..."
I disagree, sadly many of the users who want the old version are the same 'Myspace' types who have 100 apps and post inane comments on the discussion groups. Okay, okay I'm not saying that some of you above are like that. But judging from much of the discussion and hysteria on the groups and internet I see about 99.98% "I hate it don't change" reasoning without any valid reason behind it???
If those 'power users' really hate the change I'd rather be hearing logical arguments on how to improve instead of the insults and wild eyed ranting going on.
I say bravo to the other tens of millions of users who have made the switch and moved on with their lives, yes their real active offline lives :P
http://www.thoughtden.co.uk/blog/2009/03/20/fac...
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