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Mashable - The Social Media Guide: 2006/12/13/how-to-have-an-overnight-internet-success-story/

  • Vanguyafo · 2 years ago
    My question is why then are other sites that are similar to YouTube, Flickr, and Facebook etc not able to drum up similar successes.
  • Paulo Priess · 2 years ago
    Some factors came to my mind after reading your post.. hope I get my idea clearly since English is not my native language...

    1 - The user interface also plays a big part in this. If the user experience sucks, so will the website.

    Gmail, Google, Flickr, YouTube, they all have well thought and engaging interfaces. They let the user do what he/she wants efficiently and also incite the user to tell people about it.

    2 - Pioneers have time on their side, a valuable advantage.

    3 - We humans have a tendency to choose "one" winner. Number two and number 45 are perceived as almost the same even if number 2 is in fact closest to number 1. If your baseball team got the second place, well he "lost".

    I am no expert on success stories (otherwise I´d probably be doing something else right now) but I guess this factors have great relevance to a overnight success.

    best regards!
  • Frank · 2 years ago
    Just stating the obvious isn't it? if this is the best reasoning that analysts at VC's can come up with about Internet success, more than anything, this highlights the point that that VCs, as well as the rest of the 2.0 industry and players, really don't have a clue as to what will or won't work.
  • Jeff Tokarz · 2 years ago
    SimplyHired has a very clean user interface and does a nice job aggregating content. However, none of these things are particularly important if SimplyHired continues neglecting the issue of search results relevance.
  • Jawad (Shuzak) · 2 years ago
    The safest way to build a successful brand is to be the first in the market. A study of the 25 largest brands showed that sixty years ago, 20 of those brands were still the largest in their market.

    Over the internet, startups make or break much quicker. Almost overnight, as you pointed out. By being the first in a category, a company has a much better chance at being viral than the next one that comes along.

    It wouldn't matter how good a social network is if it caters to the students. We already have Facebook for that.
  • Steve · 2 years ago
    It's a good social network site,
    thanks,
    Steve
  • Will · 2 years ago
    I think the main reason for these successes is due to their big idea and their execution. Once you see what the idea was, you're always amazed that it seemed so simple, but no one thought of it or executed well enough on the idea before they did.

    It's tough to do, I'm trying my own crazy idea over at VoteMeRich.com, but It's been a year and the idea hasn't really stuck. If you have any suggestions, I'd love to hear them.

    Thanks,

    Will
  • Jawad (Shuzak) · 2 years ago
    The art of war is simple...everything is a matter of execution - Napoleon
  • gibs · 2 years ago
    I found indeed.com to be the better meta job search engine.

    clean interface and great results.
  • tony_the_great · 2 years ago
    Lets face it, doesnt take too much time to find out that e.g YouTube had lots of VC's money to play with. Zappos were financed after Microsoft buyout. So as long as you can keep 20.000 items in your garage you have a big chance to succeed, no matter what you sell.
    My conclusion: LOts of charisma in your invention !!!!
  • egon · 2 years ago
    I love the interface of SimplyHired. In fact I use it as a reference point to what I want to do with my startups. As in "SimplyHired is a great example of a clean, nicely designed, powerful application." As far as the comment about why other sites can't recreate the same success as others in the field, it's a combination of things. Design, ease of use, marketing, etc. You're right that vertical searches have a harder time, but the idea of this "Web 2.0" is partly that there will be one big site for each major market. Social networking may be different, but MySpace, as terrible design and execution as it is has somehow made it huge, and I believe it's mostly due to marketing; a huge factor in the success of anything.
  • Ronald Lewis · 2 years ago
    Great read. I'd love to hear ideas on extending one of these two approaches to new media (podcasts, blogs, etc.) What is the secret to success of blogs like Mashable, GigaOm, TechCrunch, etc.? Are they viral, or just have deep pockets for marketing?

    There are folks like myself building a great brand (Interviews Podcast) and equally compelling content, but are still falling short. What gives when you've seen 70,000 downloads to date, sponsorship interest from Cisco, offers of help from prominent Silicon Valley execs who have failed to keep their word, press coverage, etc.?

    It's painful sitting on a nestegg of content which can scale to millions of subscribers in time, but is going nowhere fast because the awareness levels aren't there (yet). It is a frustrating experience, because I'm always thinking of creative ways to expand the visibility of things with little resources to do so.
  • Pete Cashmore · 2 years ago
    Ronald,

    I actually think, as does Nisan (I assume, based on this piece), that original content doesn't scale. The blogs you mention might have an influence in their niche, but they don't blow up in the way that user-gen sites do.
  • phil tadros · 2 years ago
    millions make sites and services, you can't plan to be huge, you just do your thing and if it happens then you did the right things at the right times with the right people with the right ideas, you can't corner how to do it, especially when we are so often shocked at how large a few select are becoming or have become, it's like a band, get some people to belive in you cause your making sense and then if your good they'll tell more people. so in a sense my ramble does agree with what Nisan Gabbay says.. who knows why i thought i should open my mouth, anyway take a look at metroproper.com if you want to.. no pressure, we are still working on it:)
  • Pete Cashmore · 2 years ago
    Another thing that's worth a lot: having a good team and good connections. YouTube were in the right place, had the right people (connections to Paypal) and got funding from one of the best (Sequoia). We love to put this kind of thing down to luck or moral tales of working hard, having a good idea etc, but there are lots of other factors involved. And startups outside of the Valley will still a tougher time, IMHO.
  • Carl Bellito · 2 years ago
    I love dotso.com - I started using it a couple of months ago and now use it everyday. Saves me heaps of time online checking the news.
  • David · 2 years ago
    I'm not sure I agree with Digg as natural search. I dont think people link to the Digg Landing Page at all (even now - although a small set do).

    What I do think works is how they write the URLs - they keywords are all there. Plus, Digg itself has a lot of inbound links (since they are just popular). The combination of both pushes their results higher.

    Oh yeah, if you check - Digg is also in the Google Coop Index.

    Keep up the good work though Nisan. I came here via www.start-review.com and am a fan of your cases.
  • Ronald Lewis · 2 years ago
    Peter, Phil, and others:

    Thank you for your feedback. Perhaps original content will have a difficult time scaling, but when I think about 1 billion cell phones having MP3 playback capability by 2010, my eyes widen! :)

    I think new media is an exciting space to be in and there's a lot of room to provide compelling content to a large audience. I agree that viral sites such as YouTube are succcessful because of user content, but I still believe there's opportunity for original content, just maybe not on the scale of video sharing sites.

    Personally, I can see 1 million unique listeners each month of time-shifted (on-demand) content at some point. There are already some large-scale producers out there such as IT Conversations and the PodTech network. I'm not sure of how they developed their mediums, but they are certainly successful for what they do, if not on a large scale, but good enough to be satisfied.

    If there's one thing I'm sure of, it's that there are some great folks out there who stand behind the brand I've been building this year. There's some great support, so it's encouraging, as they understand the vision and the approach I've taken to attract visibility to the content.

    I think one of the greatest accomplishments thus far was beating the WSJ, NY Times and 100s of other press to interview the co-founders of Webaroo in April. The power, capability, and flexibility of new media content is just amazing when compared to traditional media.
  • Shane · 2 years ago
    Execution of a great idea is key.

    We always hear the surface spiel about big successes - we don't hear about all the behind-the-scenes hard work that went into building that success.

    Alex Tew stated actively promoted the million dollar homepage, and after selling $400k worth of ad space, he hired a PR guru. She was the person who helped him get to the million dollar mark.

    I think the biggest misconception in any business is the "if you build it, they will come" syndrome. Copycats copy the idea. They don't copy all the back-room hard work.
  • Leo · 2 years ago
    Shane
    You hit the nail on the head I am totally frustrated with all my efforts to market my online store www.toughpups.com, I thought that "if i build it they will come" and they really haven't I often sit up at night wondering what is it that I am doing wrong-
  • Nisan Gabbay · 2 years ago
    Ronald - I think that a podcast content site such as yours can grow, but it is unlikely to attract a mass audience quickly. I think that businesses such as these take time to develop - usually 5+ years. Don't get too frustrated by the fact that you aren't seeing massive growth - comparing yourself to Youtube is not a fair comparison. Keep producing good content that people want, and work hard to secure distribution through syndication deals. You can do a better job today of natural search optimization. I don't understand why podcast sites don't have full text transcripts of the podcast for search indexing purposes.
  • Vijay · 2 years ago
    Nothing is overnight. Look those people worked towards it so hard. Its only a pain a true Entrepreneur knows.
  • Will · 2 years ago
    Nisan,
    Excellent points! Keep in mind though for every YouTube or Facebook, there are nameless thousands of failures. The community as a whole only has the capacity for so many video sharing sites or social networking sites, no matter how viral or organic search optimized you are.

    Will
  • Ronald Lewis · 2 years ago
    Shane: Alex Tew is a great success story. He created a new pop-culture ecosystem all on his own.

    Nisan: Thanks for your feedback. Creating relevant content is important and I believe I've achieved that, so it sounds like I'm on the right path.

    Transcribing the podcast has certainly been on my radar, and I hope to achieve that in the coming weeks with an idea to "open source" my podcast's production work -- I'm already seeing great search results with the static bios of the personalities and their companies.

    It's funny you mention content syndication. I think most podcast directories fail in this area and I've approached several sources of interest to syndicate the content I've produced thus far. I think such deals could be quite lucrative and will permit the brand to expand further. If you have any ideas on this, I'd love to hear them.
  • social_marktr · 2 years ago
    I like to hear people's thoughts on passion and plain dumb luck's role in the overnight success.

    I remember Mark Cuban and his streaming service that was bought by Yahoo. The articles I've read suggested that the "factors" were passion and hard work from two guys w/o deep business experience. They were just like 30,000 other guys with streaming servers, BUT they were lucky. I'm sure connections and timing had something to do with it, but I personally knew 5 other folks trying to do the same thing at the time for similar reasons - experimenting on driving the medium to enhance personal experience, and NOT focusing on a huge payout.

    How do these factor in?
  • flaschinger · 2 years ago
    I'd say its a combination of alot of things everyone has already mentioned. You need a good idea, good people, and good execution. Of course, it helps to have a bunch of money and contacts.
  • DavidEzra · 2 years ago
    It's been my observation that most individuals who make it big have two things going for them - "experience" and an "existing network" ... something that is hard to quantify in dollars and cents.

    Experience = this implies that they have tried and failed a number of times before they hit it big. Or said differently, every time they fail they learn from their experience and make course corrections on their next endeavor, until they finally get all the ingredients exactly right. Nobody ever hits it big on their first try!!!

    Existing Network = they already have a network of individuals for whom their good or service caters to. Or said differently, they already have personal connections with individuals who will be their first users / adopters. (This is crucial as the product needs to be honed and refined, and these individuals are more likely to be forgiving.) Look at Digg ... he says it only cost him about $2000, but I'd die to have his "preexisting network / personal contacts" to launch my own startup ... so in reality, the "comprehensive price" of launch was significantly greater than $2000 on a level playing field.

    Furthermore, it would seem that individuals who hit it big have a mindset of doing what they do because they love it. Consequently, they put extra time and effort into it because they enjoy what they do. And every once in a while, they come to discover that there is significant "traction / velcro" form individuals within their network, and so they turn their previous "hobby" into a "business."

    Contrarily, it seems exponentially more difficult to start out by thinking, "what can I do to make a million dollars," conjure up an idea, and then develop a "business plan" around it and attempt to execute - as this type of situations lacks both "experience" and an "existing network."
  • Kevin · 2 years ago
    There could also be services that lie between the two extremes you mentioned (word of mouth vs viral). A service that you could use alone but the experience is much better if you invite your friends. My first thought for this would be something like Microsoft's Xbox live. I can use this service alone and give a favorable referral to my friends. I can also get connected with my friends (both old and new) to further enhance my experience. A more web-relevant example might be Basecamp.
  • Madhu Pareek · 2 years ago
    Agree with most of what is in your post. In order to be successful one needs all four ps of marketing. A good Product, a good Price, good Promotion and good physical distribution. Most web services start out with a good product, and great price (free). distribution is not a problem for them, and therefore promotion is all they have to worry about. But for physical products such as ours (tea) its little difficult. When we started Jaya Teas we realized that simply raising the awareness was not going to be enough. So, we set about developing a good product, and put a nice promotional strategy behind our brand. Slowly we are building a name for our brand, and in another few years we hope that it will grow into a self sustaining brand.
  • psycholover · 2 years ago
    I like the fact that you can base your next big project on one simple thing: providing better access to something that is already done by others. You don't need to devise new product or service, just sit down and try to think what could be simplified around some popular service, something you are using daily and think could be improved. Do sleek interface with great functionality and you are done.
  • Einstein · 2 years ago
    Most websites have no purpose and no soul. Your website should be secondary to a powerful, burning force that drives your life, which will fuel your web war. When I started my site ANARCHY-TV.COM, it was not to make a million bucks, but to strike back at a wicked and corrupt government that yanked me out of my quiet life, ran a slander game on me, for profit, and imprisoned me for two years. I won my appeal, but there is no man more furious than one falsely imprisoned in a concrete steel box against his will who looked through a chainlink fence every day, dying inside just to touch a tree again, to be back on his farm, with his family, and not in some mad noisy artificial hellhole on earth.

    In one month, ANARCHY-TV has rocketed from 0 page views to 18,000, not because its viral, but because there is a burning force behind it and because it has something to say. That burning force will do whatever it takes to enhance it to make it viral, to rethink it every day, to employ more Ajax methods in the site, and so on. If you don't have the force, if you don't have a mission, something overwhelming you have to bring to the world and say, then you're better off doing something else, because there is no money in web development. Its an endless ocean of working with layers upon layers of different type of code. CSS, DHTML, XML, Javascript, working with DOM, Perl, PHP, etc.
  • Alejandra · 2 years ago
    Sure, one of the two must happen. If you use Just Clap you need to tell friends to clap your story to get it published. So at first it will work like viral, as mentioned above. Just Clap has news about the achievements of people or projects that change our World. In that sense people involved in those projects send them and tend to ask their friends to clap them so they get promoted quickly to the first page.
  • Digital Fine Art Fellow · 2 years ago
    Yeah, if sites like Digg are onto something, why are the imitators not nearly as successful?
  • Nisan Gabbay · 2 years ago
    This question about why imitators are not as successful I think has a pretty simple answer - the leaders are able to establish the initial buzz and hence tap into mainstream PR, thereby "super-charging" the viral distribution and reaching the mass consumer much more quickly. In many of the cases there were less successful imitators (Reddit vs. Digg), (Metacafe vs. YouTube), (Bebo/Piczo/others vs. MySpace) ... but none of these secondary players were able to leverage PR quite the same way as the leaders. Furthermore, in many of these cases as the network effects of the leaders begin to kick in, they provide a much more compelling product for consumers and greater value prop for business partners.
  • anon · 2 years ago
    This wouldn't apply to bebo, explain that one based on their reach on alexa. Seems a lot of traffic for the first day...
  • Alex Pooley · 2 years ago
    Excellent article.

    32. Regarding lucks role in success, take a look at a couple of recent posts I made:
    * http://www.alexpooley.com/?p=203
    * http://www.alexpooley.com/?p=200

    My blogs tag line is, success = ambition * persistence * luck
  • Sean · 2 years ago
    Isn't your definitition of viral conflated with what one would call "network effect" - With network effect, the value of the service grows with each additional user. In my opinion, viral has to do with the ability and ease with which something can spread from user to user. Network effect increases the desire to spread the word (from a users perspective). The sites that are viral and grow very fast have strong network effects. Early internet examples would be hotmail and ebay.
  • Nisan Gabbay · 2 years ago
    Hi Sean,

    My definition of network effect is a product or service that inherently gets better the more users it has. Sites like Slide.com and RockYou are viral, but don't have super strong network effects. The experience of creating a slideshow isn't so much better for user number one million than it was for user number one thousand.

    There are plenty of sites out there that would benefit from network effects, but lack viral characterisitics. Wikis are perfect examples of this.

    Thus, I think your point that sites that demonstrate strong network effects tend to be viral is true. However, people don't spread the word because they recognize the service will be better with network effects. They spread the word so that they can get direct benefit.

    Hope that rambling helps some.

    Nisan
  • CRAIG EDELSON · 2 years ago
    WE NEED HELP HITTING OUR MARKET.
  • Blur · 2 years ago
    Excellent article
  • Brooks · 1 year ago
    This is an excellent, well thought out article. It contains useful information not the hype usually found on internet success story sites.