I must say I like the way it seems to be heading but personally i dont like the taskbar as it is in the screenshots ... its almost like half way to the Leopard dock with just icons but id prefer either all smaller or have the background only cover half, the illusion of more desktop space really works...
I'll also be interested at netbook speed, Ive just ordered an acer aspire one to take around with me instead of my bigger laptop and it would be nice to have a more common OS on it. Actually, i'd prefer a MacBook mini* lol
Michael
· 1 year ago
During the demonstration, I believe they said you could make the icons small if you want to.
Imran Hussain
· 1 year ago
Huh? Speak for yourself dude! A LOT of people use the sidebar!! A lot more than you would ever know in your entire life. And UAC has kept people safe, although I agree it has been annoying. It wasn't a mistake. If you don't like Windows 7 or hate Vista so ridiculously by labeling it a mistake (heck, why don't you make an OS urself smarty pants?? ), don't write about it then.
Avatar
· 1 year ago
Stan, Stan. so you are now like to do this kind of inflammatory blog posts?. i thought you worked for cashmore not for nick denton. or maybe it is your impression of John Dvorak in a bad day. lets move on the fact that you don`t research enough yours posts. even if they are opinion pieces.
If you had seen Day 2 Keynote. you would have seen Steve Sinofsky saying that Windows 7 can run in netbooks starting on 1ghz cpu and 1gb ram. if you had seen some of the boot up videos of Windows 7 M3 build you would have seen that it boots in half the time Vista does. if you did more research often you would also know that Asus, the leading company on netbooks stated that they will ship the later models of the Eee pc with Windows 7 starting in the second half of 2009. among other many things i could point out. then there is also the myth that netbooks cannot run vista. this is of course not true and it was explained by sinofsky. only the first batch of netbooks were unable to run it because:
1.-They started shipping with 512mb of ram 2.-They started shipping with SSD of 4gb of space 3.-The processor was less that 1ghz of power
I am sorry but it is ridiculous to expect Vista to be able to run on that. in fact. it was not a mistake that they choose xandros to run in it. at that time even a Ubuntu (Full Install) would have got crammed without the chance for it to grow much and you would not have run it with special effects either...
Then there was the fact that people has a very hard time when it comes to change. specially in terms of software. i even made a post on that given the debacle of the new iGoogle and the still ridiculous debacle of people that say that the old facebook was better...
UAC was indeed the hardest part of change thanks to the incompatibility of software and drivers and the whole vista capable stickergate fiasco thanks to Intel and other companies. so it was not just Microsoft doing. SP1 came and fixed pretty much at least 80% of the issues. 90% if you are using 64 bits.
The part i cringe when i get to read it is that claim that Vista took 6 years to develop. it didn`t. it was developed in a little more than 2 years and a half. Longhorn is not Vista. Longhorn was in development for 2 years before it was ditched given it proved to be unstable. Longhorn was based directly above XP. Vista was based directly of Win Server 2003. i could go further on explaining that but that is more than enough information. so the correct line would be "It took Microsoft X years to serve Vista, a OS that took 2 and a half years to develop". and in this case. everything seen in the keynote of today will deliver since it was LIVE CODE. it was not a mockup or a adjusted demo (like the ones apple does) and because Steve Sinofsky is the guy behind this. the same guy that delivered Office 2007 full range of Suites.
Avatarx
· 1 year ago
It is ridiculous because of the footprint of the install. as i pointed out in my reply. even a full install of ubuntu would be crammed into 4gbs. i am not saying the regular install. but a full one. there are 1-2 gbs of difference on them. it was ridiculous because a lot of the tech that allows to Windows 7 WDM cut memory to half and scale didn`t existed and because of the whole troubles that were not only microsoft fault or microsoft fault back when vista launched. for starters. the concept of Netbooks was still not out either. The development time and details IS RELEVANT because you cannot compare what had to be done with vista with what has done with windows 7 or what Ubuntu does or what apple does since both use a incremental release approach that was thought YEARS in advance and that employs an entirely different process of doing things. Windows 7 roadmap started even before Vista was released and the process was thought out from half the development of vista to vista release. the development then was fully started as Vista was in RC. i know this don`t matters to the end user. but i then wonder why no one bats a eyelash with OS X that took up to TIger to get actually any good because when OS X was released and for the first release was quite a disaster and with Ubuntu that took up to Hardy Heron to be usable because Warty Warhog was close to being a bad practical joke in terms of their claims. oh right. because their are only 1/11 of Windows Marketshare and because they got entirely different minority targets that are easier to archive. and neither of those got government, legal and corporative restrictions in terms of development. so how can they be comparable?. they are not.
On the other hand. even with your extreme bias and research lazyness. you still not as bad as most bloggers in Gizmodo and Engadget. yes. that is a compliment. i mean. i still take time to read your posts and reply to you. ;)
Avatar
· 1 year ago
oh. and i personally have installed lots of vista starter in the latest Eee PC`s . (Legal OEM i Swear!) so. the vista - netbook comment is not overheard knowledge.
I don't disagree that any OS should become leaner while adding usability features. I'm actually impressed (and I'm usually underwhelmed by the MSFT morass that is an OS) by what I've seen of their presentation.
That said, hasn't OS X really proved the "netbook" variant of an OS already? It is a derivative of the desktop OS already.
I also don't get why the all the froth over "netbooks" -- they seem like a partially powered laptop and not as portable as an iPhone which arguably has more integration and almost as much capability. (OK, it doesn't have flash, no deal killer for me)
What I want is a PETITION for powercalc (from win xp) to be in Win 7, if anyone wanna create one... :-)
Bart
· 1 year ago
I've been running Vista for the past six month and I'm very happy with it. The user interface is much better than Windows XP and there are almost no crashes. I have to agree that the first months Vista wasn't very stable, but after some fixes things are running very smoothly. Starting up and shutting down is slow, that's true (that's why I only hibernate), but for the rest it works very fast on a new laptop. As for the features, there are no world shocking new features in Vista (well, there are but nobody uses them) and de sidebar... I turned it off because it took too much memory and was locking things up. The sidebar was actually the only thing that caused instability but that might be because of bad programmed gadgets. I'm not missing the sidebar at all, I can have the same gadgets in my browser (Netvibes) so why put them on your desktop? Side note: I'm a power user (web developer) using my laptop at least 10 hours a day running mainly graphical software (Adobe Suite). I could connect my mobile phone, camera, external hard disk, wireless mouse etc. without any problems. The only program I could not run was Pegasus Mail, but once I dragged it to the c:\ folder it worked without any problems. Summarized: Vista improved a lot latest months and everyone who says it sucks is clearly not using it.
Diamonds
· 1 year ago
I hate it when Microsoft does this, they haven't perfected one OS now their creating a new OS. Evil
Pax
· 1 year ago
Given Microsoft's history, all this talk about a lean and mean OS coming in the form of Windows 7 is just that... talk. Hopes, speculation and whatever else you want to apply to this means nothing where Microsoft is concerned. They lost the right a long time ago to be taken seriously.
For all we know, the netbook version might be another embedded OS unable (because of standard Microsoft restrictions) to run on anything else.
I predict netbook versions of the OS and Desktop versions of the OS - each pushing the limits of the hardware. I base this on too many years of watching MS in action and disappointing everyone. If you want to invest in portable computing, look elsewhere. From a NY Times article...
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/29/technology/bu... "This **suggests** that the new version of the program will require far fewer resources than its predecessor, although Mr. Sinofsky **declined** to make specific performance promises."
I'll wait for *official* announcements from Microsoft coupled with whatever restrictions they need to place on yet another series of OS upgrades...
James McAllister
· 1 year ago
Go Linux! We need to work more collectively in improving Linux. Microsoft really isn't the future: other than in the 70s and early 80s, it never has been, and it's time we finally stopped it hindering our future.
Skateout
· 1 year ago
I agree with Bart, if someone says Vista sucks, then you can't use a computer, you have no idea about that OS. Come on man, I'm using this OS since it's first version, RC or what, don't care. Well that was slow, but then it came the first official version, which was taken into the stores, now that was good, it had some peoblems, crashes, and so on, but hey, nothing is perfect. MS solved the problem, not all of course, but they are working on it. If you can't calibrate your system, your OS for yourself as you need it, then don't say that it sucks. They didn't made this OS for you, they made it for everybody, so you just take yourself, and personalize it for yourself. That's it, nothing more is needed. Personnaly I am using the sidebar, and it is not useless at all, you just have to find something for it which you can use for your advance. And I believe that MS made something really new with this Win 7, so just chill and wait for it, after 2 month of use you can make an opinion about it.
Vatroslav Mihalj
· 1 year ago
5-10 years ago windows were spit on because they were "naked": the installation came with bare OS and a few apps, so critics (PC magazine journalists) whined about lack of office applications, zip utility or (user-friendly) advanced multimedia player etc. which you needed to get separately. They pointed out at Linux distributions as the opposite example, because they would come with several (mostly unfinished) apps for each purpose one could imagine. Now, after Windows have incorporated most of it into OS, following what users whiched for, they are "bloated" and need to be "bare bones" - just the opposite of what "everyone" wanted! Is this a joke or what?
To some extent the speculation is over. I got the beta up and running on my NC10 yesterday. There’s details of how to get drivers for the LAN ethernet controller and some other devices that the Windows 7 beta doesn’t configure quite right out of the box.
So far it’s been working out great. All the nice features of Vista without the overhead. I’m pretty much expecting to ditch XP for Windows 7 on my netbook from now on.
Ade
Max Zamorsky
· 10 months ago
I have installed Windows 7 on my older Tablet PC (Motion LE1600). Quite promising - if Microsoft keeps up that kind of work. Read more on my blog: <a href="http://max.zamorsky.name/2009/01/13/windows7-auf- einem-motion-computing-le1600-tablet-pcwindows7-on-a-motion- computing-le1600-tablet-pc/">http:// max.zamorsky.name/2009/01/13/windows7-auf-einem-motion- computing-le1600-tablet-pcwindows7-on-a-motion-computing- le1600-tablet-pc/
Max Zamorsky
· 10 months ago
the clickable link:
<a href="http://max.zamorsky.name/2009/01/13/windows7-auf- einem-motion-computing-le1600-tablet-pcwindows7-on-a-motion- computing-le1600-tablet-pc/">Windows 7 on a Motion LE1600
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I'll also be interested at netbook speed, Ive just ordered an acer aspire one to take around with me instead of my bigger laptop and it would be nice to have a more common OS on it. Actually, i'd prefer a MacBook mini* lol
If you had seen Day 2 Keynote. you would have seen Steve Sinofsky saying that Windows 7 can run in netbooks starting on 1ghz cpu and 1gb ram. if you had seen some of the boot up videos of Windows 7 M3 build you would have seen that it boots in half the time Vista does. if you did more research often you would also know that Asus, the leading company on netbooks stated that they will ship the later models of the Eee pc with Windows 7 starting in the second half of 2009. among other many things i could point out. then there is also the myth that netbooks cannot run vista. this is of course not true and it was explained by sinofsky. only the first batch of netbooks were unable to run it because:
1.-They started shipping with 512mb of ram
2.-They started shipping with SSD of 4gb of space
3.-The processor was less that 1ghz of power
I am sorry but it is ridiculous to expect Vista to be able to run on that. in fact. it was not a mistake that they choose xandros to run in it. at that time even a Ubuntu (Full Install) would have got crammed without the chance for it to grow much and you would not have run it with special effects either...
Then there was the fact that people has a very hard time when it comes to change. specially in terms of software. i even made a post on that given the debacle of the new iGoogle and the still ridiculous debacle of people that say that the old facebook was better...
UAC was indeed the hardest part of change thanks to the incompatibility of software and drivers and the whole vista capable stickergate fiasco thanks to Intel and other companies. so it was not just Microsoft doing. SP1 came and fixed pretty much at least 80% of the issues. 90% if you are using 64 bits.
The part i cringe when i get to read it is that claim that Vista took 6 years to develop. it didn`t. it was developed in a little more than 2 years and a half. Longhorn is not Vista. Longhorn was in development for 2 years before it was ditched given it proved to be unstable. Longhorn was based directly above XP. Vista was based directly of Win Server 2003. i could go further on explaining that but that is more than enough information. so the correct line would be "It took Microsoft X years to serve Vista, a OS that took 2 and a half years to develop". and in this case. everything seen in the keynote of today will deliver since it was LIVE CODE. it was not a mockup or a adjusted demo (like the ones apple does) and because Steve Sinofsky is the guy behind this. the same guy that delivered Office 2007 full range of Suites.
On the other hand. even with your extreme bias and research lazyness. you still not as bad as most bloggers in Gizmodo and Engadget. yes. that is a compliment. i mean. i still take time to read your posts and reply to you. ;)
http://www.osnews.com/story/20450/Sinofsky_Demo...
That said, hasn't OS X really proved the "netbook" variant of an OS already? It is a derivative of the desktop OS already.
I also don't get why the all the froth over "netbooks" -- they seem like a partially powered laptop and not as portable as an iPhone which arguably has more integration and almost as much capability. (OK, it doesn't have flash, no deal killer for me)
Where's WinFS?
What I want is a PETITION for powercalc (from win xp) to be in Win 7, if anyone wanna create one... :-)
For all we know, the netbook version might be another embedded OS unable (because of standard Microsoft restrictions) to run on anything else.
I predict netbook versions of the OS and Desktop versions of the OS - each pushing the limits of the hardware. I base this on too many years of watching MS in action and disappointing everyone. If you want to invest in portable computing, look elsewhere. From a NY Times article...
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/29/technology/bu...
"This **suggests** that the new version of the program will require far fewer resources than its predecessor, although Mr. Sinofsky **declined** to make specific performance promises."
I'll wait for *official* announcements from Microsoft coupled with whatever restrictions they need to place on yet another series of OS upgrades...
Come on man, I'm using this OS since it's first version, RC or what, don't care. Well that was slow, but then it came the first official version, which was taken into the stores, now that was good, it had some peoblems, crashes, and so on, but hey, nothing is perfect. MS solved the problem, not all of course, but they are working on it. If you can't calibrate your system, your OS for yourself as you need it, then don't say that it sucks. They didn't made this OS for you, they made it for everybody, so you just take yourself, and personalize it for yourself. That's it, nothing more is needed. Personnaly I am using the sidebar, and it is not useless at all, you just have to find something for it which you can use for your advance. And I believe that MS made something really new with this Win 7, so just chill and wait for it, after 2 month of use you can make an opinion about it.
Now, after Windows have incorporated most of it into OS, following what users whiched for, they are "bloated" and need to be "bare bones" - just the opposite of what "everyone" wanted! Is this a joke or what?
http://www.ademiller.com/blogs/tech/2009/01/win...
So far it’s been working out great. All the nice features of Vista without the overhead. I’m pretty much expecting to ditch XP for Windows 7 on my netbook from now on.
Ade
LE1600). Quite promising - if Microsoft keeps up that kind
of work.
Read more on my blog:
<a href="http://max.zamorsky.name/2009/01/13/windows7-auf-
einem-motion-computing-le1600-tablet-pcwindows7-on-a-motion-
computing-le1600-tablet-pc/">http://
max.zamorsky.name/2009/01/13/windows7-auf-einem-motion-
computing-le1600-tablet-pcwindows7-on-a-motion-computing-
le1600-tablet-pc/
<a href="http://max.zamorsky.name/2009/01/13/windows7-auf-
einem-motion-computing-le1600-tablet-pcwindows7-on-a-motion-
computing-le1600-tablet-pc/">Windows 7 on a Motion LE1600
http://max.zamorsky.name/2009/01/13/windows7-au...
motion-computing-le1600-tablet-pcwindows7-on-a-motion-
computing-le1600-tablet-pc/