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And just because you may not be enjoying some of the conversations, doesn't mean that others aren't. I admit, there are the "hi's", "good mornings" etc...but there's a lot more of the other, decent conversations that often last hours with honest people, often not of the tech community which makes a change.
With regards to the designs however, there are some shocking twitter profiles & pownce profiles too - and on all these services, the thankful thing is you can just use your own theme and don't have to view other peoples to use the site on a daily basis.
For me, aside from Friendfeed, Plurk dominates the micobloggingsphre and deserves a heck of a lot more respect. And frankly, I'm surprised you've put it down this Wayne.
There's definitely room for both. Twitter and Facebook never appealed to me, but Plurk and MySpace definitely do. Most people here seem to prefer Twitter and Facebook.
If you don't like a page don't look at it but at least give the person some respect for trying. They more likely than not like it, let them be happy.
Making a point being negative only shows fear or an inability to change. Get lose and roll with it man. It is just self expression ...
Mich D aka @MichDdot
Plurk lacks the only thing that makes Twitter really valuable: the SMS gateway. It's what sets Twitter apart from Pownce, Plurk & friends. What Twitter found out was that people didn't really want to do "micro-blogging" the way they thought they did. Beause really, that's nothing new. You've been able to do that with things like Tumblr for a while.
What Twitter found out was that people have ended up using Twitter as a communication service, not a micro-blogging tool. They use it as a multi-cast messenger with an SMS gateway to "push" communications out to cell phones, instead of forcing a user to go to the web to check the status of others.
If anyone wants to best Twitter, they are going to have to at least offer an SMS gateway. The only other majory service I know that has this capability is Jaiku, which has been in limbo every since it was aquired by Google. Honestly, I don't think any of these other services will ever take off until they can at least offer that which makes Twitter stand out about the crowd.
1. You can't program taste
2. If you think all people are doing on Plurk is saying Hi and Goodbye and giving navel status updates, you should check out Plurkshops. We have a blog plurkshops.com where we recap our discussions and provide links to the thread. Following people like Connie Reece, Mack Collier and Amber Naslund shows what it's like to have real conversations.
plurkshops.com
Who knows, it might force some people to learn more about the wonderful world of CSS.
What hurt MySpace was not the cluttered backgrounds, but the spam friend requests. Now they're beginning to hurt Twitter. It's become more of a broadcast channel than a place for conversation. BTW, I unfollowed your plurks after one week because they were so frequent they overwhelmed my timeline and were not producing conversations that held my attention.
I'm kind of disappointed, Wayne, that you of all people are lumping Plurk into a navel-gazing network when I see more plurks from you than I do responses (including the good mornings, good nights, and lifestream stuff). I respect you and your work, but there are some intensely valuable conversations on Plurk if one only listens. And personally, I don't measure any one of those people's worth to the community by the CSS stuff they do or don't put on their own page. It's awfully shortsighted of you to be judging a book by that cover.
"good morning"
"it's another crazy day, almost to busy to plurk, miss you all"
"I need something stronger than coffee today! running on 4 hours of sleep"
"it's time to warm up some coffee form 8am :-) should keep me focused for awhile"
"ask so what would you call plurk a family community or a tech community or just a fun community?"
Wayne, I have a lot of respect for you & your work. I have appreciated your contribution to the social media landscape. But, in light of your timeline, you gotta help me understand why you are disparaging what you see as "the most popular topics on Plurk being “good morning,†“good night,†“hi,†“sex†and “coffee,†and what you mean by "it will be interesting to see what audience Plurk continues to build." I've seen Plurks calling the Suttons "the First Family of Plurk" because of all the participation & interaction between you, your wife & your mom and other members of your family. From what I've seen, people have enjoyed getting to know them and interacting with them. So, what's up with that? Do you consider that to be like MySpace?
And, as mentioned by Deb, Connie, Amber and others, the conversations that are happening on Plurk bring value to those who are actually engaging in the conversations. Go read the threads and recaps of the Plurkshops. Then tell me that Plurk is comparable to MySpace. I still won't believe you. But I'll no longer think that you are just confused and uninformed. I'll think you are delusional.
I, like Connie, have unfollowed people (sorry, you were one of the first I unfollowed) because of the sheer number of 'lifestreaming' that they plurk, because these have not contributed much value to the use of my time on a platform that has been more topic centered than user-centered.
Perhaps that's the rub - the fact that unless what you as a user contribute is valuable, after a while the vacuousness becomes a waste of valuable time-line real estate.
Have you seen the Themes Flickr Group: http://www.flickr.com/groups/plurkthemes/ ? If not you should go and check it out. We have some really beautiful design over there, and the good thins is, unlike MySpace (!), we don't ever need to go to their individual profile page.
Comment for Aaron Richard, sure Message Board might be a better way of having threading convos, but usually they are regarding a certain 'problem domain', and you only go there if you have something to ask or question to answer. Let me ask you how often do you check this MB, once a day, once a week, once a month ? Definitely not every minute, right ?
We have conversations appear in Plurk every second !
SMS Gateway ? How many percent of users are really using this feature ? I'm not, and certainly not most of us, why ? Because the cost will make myself bankrupt in a matter of days, that's why.
Wayne, I'm waiting for your explanation.
On the backgrounds those two where one of the first two css backgrounds I saw, I didn't know about the flickr group: http://www.flickr.com/groups/plurkthemes/pool which has some nice custom backgrounds.
If you follow me on plurk, you know I'm one to post, good morning and good night all the time so I know and can validate on the conversations and the plurk community. The community is fun, personal and at times controversial. Many have said that plurk is better at managing conversations than twitter is.
Plurk has it's place on the micro-blogging community but it's different than twitter, identi.ca and pownce just like myspace is a different community than facebook.
Also in the last paragraph I did state for those of "us", it's interesting that most comments here, are about my dislike for "some" of the first backgrounds I've seen on plurk and not the face that we're happy to see plurk role out some cool new features, an API is coming soon, a desktop app is on the way and we're still looking at what audience/community is growing on Plurk.
You're thoughts on that?
I have a Plurk account. I don't use it. It's inconvenient to go to the site and the way plurks are laid out makes it difficult to follow (especially a busy timeline).
Once a Plurk client is available I might change my mind, I might use Plurk and Twitter... or I might use identi.ca which I also have an account on and don't use.
For now this Facebook using iPhone owner is staying with Twitter. It's easy to access.
Plurk allowing for CSS coding for profile pages doesn't make it a Myspace; Myspace you actually scour people's profiles, it's a bit different here. Whether its Plurk, Twitter, Myspace - there's gonna be profiles/backgrounds that you think are ugly, but that doesn't make the feature ugly.
Plurk is what you make of it. If you want to take part in the 'good mornings' or '' plurks, then go for it. But if you want to utilize it for more than that and an actual conversational tool for Social Media (or not) heads, like a lot of us have with the emergence of Plurkshops and a prominent group of conversationalists, then that's what you'll get.
So, I wouldn't question Plurk's community or conversation, I'd question your's and anyone elses use of the service.
Overall, I would say that Plurk suits me, while many other we apps don't.
I have to admit I was surprised by the ambient negativity of the column, especially coming from someone who plurks more than anyone I've ever seen. It is no secret that I am not a fan of Plurk tying useability to Karma (which I see as little more than a way for them to identify their "power users") but people can do whatever they want, I don't have to see it.
Personally, I'm still on the twitter/plurk fence using ping.fm to update both a lot of the time. But I see in plurk the potential to become what Twitter can no longer effectively be, a place for conversation with a group of folks you get to choose. On twitter you can choose who's in your stream, but group conversations are nearly impossible, even with summize and quotably.
Yes I do plurk a lot; therefore you know I'm not coming from an outsider’s perspective on the plurk community and conversations but from someone who actually uses the site.
@SonnyGill so true Plurk, just like twitter, it's how you use it, what conversations you create and take part in.
I’ve been apart of some 60 plus in-depth responses on one plurk topic such as, online advertising, marketing, TV shows, and social media and I appreciate the feedback I get from the plurk community but with some of the general conversations is why some people tend not to use plurk at all.
Its interesting people are posting about what seems like a negative comparison and not the new features that Plurk announced and what direction you see Plurk moving towards in the future.
-- Michael W. Jones, 2008
Period.
If all you want to do is announce, Twitter is a good place for ya. Feel free to stay.
Statements like "if you follow me on plurk, you know I'm one to post, good morning and good night all the time so I know and can validate on the conversations and the Plurk community" are just fodder for further conversation. Anyone that uses Plurk knows you can "know...validate conversations" without prefacing it with a greeting. But hey, this creates dialogue and what's wrong with that?
Again, brilliant strategy on Wayne's part. Congratulations Wayne on a well executed post that is achieving your objectives. It's no wonder that you have 5000+ friends/followers - you are doing something that people value otherwise they would not connect. :) I honestly don't see what the fuss is about.
BTW what do you think of my Plurk background? ;) http://www.plurk.com/user/ethnicomm
Finally, during my experiences with "Micro-Blogging" it's all about control. If you're into "mass following" for the sake of having a high karma count or high number of followers then you will be subjected to mess i.e., sex, shameless plugs. So I suggest exercise control. Only follow folks of like thinking heck Twitter has plenty of spammers and I gets "NONE".
Just a thought.
-Jaheed.
On one of the recent plurkshops, for example, we were discussing how the behaviors of certain social media "A-listers" were setting back the adoption of social media as a viable business strategy and not just a fly-by-night sales tactic.
I have my somewhat strong and rather cynical view of how some "A-listers" are using SM for selfish reasons (look at how Digg is skewed by a few "friends"). However, it is probably better discussed on another post - don't want to hijack this one.
Whew!
That being said, I've seen a LOT of hideous ones. They need a better plurk css guide, in my opinion. Those of us who know CSS can work wonders, though, completely redesigning almost everything about the page. It's really a great benefit.