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is true.
My King is My Life.
He be like My Father our people Thailand
Long Live The King
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Kevin, I think you have a point on this one. America often acts with an air of "moral superiority", which only comes across as totally hypocritical when things like Abu Graib and Guantanamo litter the front pages of foreign newspapers.
Why should an American company get to dictate to a foreign government the rights and privileges to which their citizens are entitled?
The fact is, so very few Americans have actually spent any significant time living abroad, they think and act very myopically.
I think the right decision in this case, both morally and economically, is to allow foreign governments to determine what censorships they would like to place on content being made available to their citizenry. If those citizens believe that their rights are being infringed upon in their home state, then they can apply for political asylum in the United States, or immigrate.
While I agree with this sentiment, in the case of the King of Thailand, he has been King for more than 50 years and is universally revered by the Thai people. So, to all Thais this is quite an affront. It's not even close to "political dissent" like opposing George Bush - it's more like the flap over the cartoons of Mohamed.
At this stage of the game America needs all the friends we can get. If we finally manage to piss of the Thais (which is very difficult), we might as well throw in the towel.
And offending people isn't limited to America. The Mohamed cartoon wasn't from a U.S. publication.
The Youtube issue is yet another example of America's encroachment into established cultural norms of country's far removed from it's way of life and value system. Some could argue that it's just too bad - it's "globalization" and accept it. I'll argue that it's just sad that we feel the rest of the world needs exposure to our idea of "freedom". The Thais have a 15 year penalty for a reason - it's just plain disrespectful.
Yeah, beyond the basics (killing, stealing etc), it's pretty clear that rights and freedoms are relative, and the product of cultural norms, rather than some kind of universal morality.
In this case, the criticism isn't really productive (it's infantile), but you can imagine some cases in which criticizing the king would be necessary. Putting anyone in authority beyond criticism basically gives them unbridled power to trample on the rights of others.
There really is a lot of heady stuff to talk about re YouTube!
Can't disagree with that. Out of interest: what political power does the King of Thailand have?
Marshall,
Ultimately, morality seems to come down to: which outcome is the least hurtful to other people? So I guess even killing is justified if the killing prevents a greater injustice (ie. killing a dictator can prevent many more deaths). Mocking the king of Thailand doesn't really achieve anything, but we have freedom of speech so that we can call authority figures out when they really do overstep their bounds. In this case, I guess it depends on whether the king has any real political influence: if so, are the Thai people allowed to criticize his political opinions?
When someone posts a video on YT anonymously, that causes similar angst in Thailand, there is no recourse. Granted, 15 years in prison seems harsh, but I think we also need to consider anonymity and the role it plays in this discussion.
Even though the media try to exaggerate the notion that Thai king is totally untouchable, there are more stories behind it.
As Kevin said, Thai culture is based on respect. I'd like to add that we do not respect the king just because he is just a king, but he is a king which his whole life is devoted to his people.
If you have been in Thailand for a quite while and interested in watching news, you will see he has been gone out to every parts of the country, helping people to establish various things, heal various sufferers, 24/7. He has not stopped working for 60 years (And his age will be 80 within this year).
I do not know about other kings or queens in other countries, but Thai king does not just sit comfortably on the throne. That's why he has got the highest respect and Thai people, including many people in other countries love him so dearly. He is the center of Thai people's heart. That's why Thai people feel such very deep hurt as their most loved one is humiliated by the dark side of "free speech". This is one of the roots leading to the phrase "Thai king is untouchable".
Some people may not be able to differentiate George W. Bush and Thai king. Some people (maybe from the same group) may not be able to see how different kings/queens from different countries are. We are okay for that, we do not want to teach the differences to anyone, all we need is just "Respect 101".
Many of us accept that YouTube was blocked again. Many of us are YouTube fans, but they still accept this matter. Many of us understand the ministry did exaggerated the matter, but for this time, it is a way to express how Thai people feel when YouTubed ignore the request. Although some Thai people are upset as they cannot use YouTube as they do everyday, and it seems ridiculous, most Thai people still feel this issue is placed on higher priority.
Even J.S. Mill, the most celebrated writer on liberty, set out clearly several limits on a person's liberty for fear that serious conflicts would arise if liberty was abused. So, the point i'm trying to make is that liberty has its limits. And in this case, this video has breached the limits by insulting the symbol of a whole nation.
I think my King naver make you bad feel. He is everything for Thai people. Please don't make bad thing to my King...
Please...
American people are so narrow minded as they always judge other people with their own standard and judgement regardless the difference of national culture and social norms.
This act will affect all that concerned not only Thai People's opinion that will be against the Americans but also and especially the Swiss Guy in jail that how he will survive the rest of his sentence in the middle of hatred feelings from all Thai people surrounding him and how he and his family will live the community after his sentence in Thailand. As this guy has his residency in Thailand too.
For Thailand, this is the law stated in Thai's Constitution since the beginning of Democracy in Thailand. Kings has no political power nor vote as he will not back up any political group. The King is in the supreme level both by law and by his deeds, he has done a lot for his people to improve their lives.
All I would like to say is that the creator(s) of such VDO ... YOU ARE STUPID AND UGLY AMERICAN PEOPLE, you thought you know better but in fact you know nothing.
Like old Thai Proverbs said ... a frog in the coconut shell ... this kind of people think like a small frog thingking that coconut shell is the whole world but they never come out to see how the real world is.
can't you just understand that for some people respect is the most important thing.. considering that he is also their beloved King.. so it is reasonable to ban youtube.. for that guy that post the video..try getting ah real job, eh?.. or maybe try this..go kill yourself!! you're just wasting oxygen everytime you breathe!
Infact who we should be really talking about right now is Google - who refised to take of that clip. How they claim to be a 'global' enterprise and yet not have a basic understanding of other cultures. Add Google to the never ending list of insensitive corporations along with microsoft and all the other jokers.
Try to undrestand a foriegn culture first...before you talk about your freedom of speech and your liberty!!!!
Personally, an entire ban on access to the site is a bit over-board, since we in Thailand use it for more than looking for derogatory videos posted about the king. They really need to lift the ban.
Wisdom does not always come with age. Not all elder people are respectable. People should be respected even if they are younger to you, if they are respectable.
King is a human being, just like you. He is no greater than you, except he has more money and hence influence.
http://youtubeproxy.org
thnx for the link.
Right and freedom must have their own limit. At least not harm others right, this is the concept of right by law. If we just have right and dont respect other people's right, what will happen to the whole world? I just talk shit to you, you talk shit to me and it's no end. Respect other like you want other to respect yourself.
The Thai king was born in Cambridge Massachuetts U.S.A. So he was born American and was a U.S. citizen until he was 18 years old.
Thailand is known as the whore house of the world and the king profits handsomely from sex tourism.
The king owns 36,000 properties. One of the wealthiest people in the world.
He spennds money on the poor .. hahah He spends less in one year then he makes profit in 1 week.. But the "PR" people keep up this B.S. Image.
He keeps getting richer...He gives none of his wealth away.
Nobody deserves respect because they were born rich into a family that murdered it's way to the top. (all king and dictators have this distinction)
Thai people are brain washed to believe this is a great man. His photo everywhere like Saddam had in Iraq or Ho Chi Min in Vietnam.
He was drunk driving in Europe and lost his eye...
Killed his brother to get to power.
Thailand will remain a third world stink hole until it opens it's mind to free speach and democracy.
And remember the measure of a countrys greatness is how many people want to get in and how many want to get out.
The line to go to the USA from Thai people is long and most are turned away... The line to go to Thailand to live is mostly 50 old fat white men who want to take advantage of the women there.
Also the fact that so mant Thai people learn English and post here.. Few Americans can speak Thai and none can write it.
Thai people want our culture so bad.. But they want to pick and choose what parts they want. They want money like all people.. But complain if we question their out dated back wood laws that do not allow free speach.
If you do not like our American culture... Stay in Thailand and do not learn English.
Thai people for the most part will not even discuss topics like this. They say "forget it" and go on thinking they are superior to us.
But they cannot back up their arguement that the king is a devine being.. He is just another lucky person to be born rich.
To address some of your points before any casual readers buy into this...Anyone who thinks Thailand has more prostitution than any other Asian country (and indeed many countries outside Asia) is a fool and needs to A) Travel more and B) Read stats before ranting. The fact that sex tourism is readily available to English speakers should come as no surprise because of the pure volume of tourists in Thailand. But America doesn't have ANYWHERE like Pattaya (Las Vegas?) it's so clean let's move there quick!
Saying Thais want American culture is a ridiculous statement. Thais perhaps want to gain education and knowledge abroad but wouldn't abandon their culture. The fact America is a melting pot of cultures seems to be missed on you. The King killed his brother and usurped? According to whom. Read "The Reluctant King" for an understanding of H.M.'s life before monarchy.