The next big thing will be the online computers that are actually decent.
CountRob
· 1 year ago
Tgoing going to hank you whoever you are for telling it like it is.
I'm so tired of this bullshit masquerading as a relevant cause.
Hey morons, what exactly is stopping you from copying and pasting your user info from MySpace to FaceBook? Oh, you don't have 20 minutes in your busy day to do such a thing? Everyone wants to press a magic button and have it happen instantaneously, which would require a gigantic infrastructure that only sites with massive budgets could support.
And why does someone need to move their videos from YouTube to MySpace when they can just embed fricking video on their profile. The videos are not even the same format, dumbasses Do you not understand simple technology or are you just retarded?
I just can't believe how stupid these DataPortablity people are.
CountRob
· 1 year ago
since wordpress wrecked my comment, the first sentence was:
"thank you whoever you are for telling it like it is."
John Blackwell
· 1 year ago
Way to go Rob! You sound a it stressed out though buddy - take it eazy;)
I agree with you 100%
Steve Testone
· 1 year ago
It's interesting, I went to the FOWA conference this week and they talked about this a lot and I was thinking the same thing. Not only does the average person not care, it just adds one more thing that they don't understand which can lead to more frustration and confusion.
I think if they really want to make the web a better place for everyone and not just the techies, they need to work on this stuff completely behind the scenes so it doesn't effect the user experience which is already too complicated in many cases.
Idiocracy
· 1 year ago
I have to agree. Data Portability really don't do anything one couldn't do on one's own in about 20 minutes' time (and if it really mattered, people would).
A lot like Open ID -- I, and 90% of the rest of the online community, could really care less. Sure, it can be a little inconvenient to have a dozen or more different usernames and passwords on various services...but ever heard of something call a pen and paper? Poof, problem solved.
Why try to force programmers to take time away from projects and services that MATTER, and try to force them do make it easier for people to be even MORE lazy...
Ever see the movie "Idiocracy"? Hooray for lazy people thinking they have a right to be even more lazy!
Stupid use of valuable talent and man-hours.
Mike Reynolds
· 1 year ago
Greetings Mr. Drama 2.0. You are taking a skeptical position in opposition to Sir Tim Berners-Lee, the man who is "Sir" because he put forth his "hypertext" vision back in 1980. Sir Berners-Lee believes the very infrastructure of the internet is changing. He says the web is becoming more social, semantic and portable.
This is not an example of well-funded startups shoving unnecessary technology down our throats. Rather, this is hypertext markup evolving to satisfy new demands. Everyone who uses the internet benefits from markup. This remains true as markup adapts over time. The semantic web is already widespread, set free by XHTML and web standards. Your own Drama20Show.com blog uses WordPress which automatically does the semantic markup for you.
While the average internet user may not be using multiple social networking sites, they still benefit from the social, semantic and portable web. One reason is that nearly everyone uses search engines, and of course search engines benefit from a social, semantic and portable web. In addition, nearly everyone uses email. Now we have both Yahoo Mail and Gmail wanting to improve the social behavior of email.
So the ultimate question is really do people want a more relevant web and easier ways to reach their friends? Per Sir Tim Berners-Lee, the answer is yes.
Leslie Poston
· 1 year ago
Thank you. Couldn't have said it better myself.
chris
· 1 year ago
I second! It's technology for technology's sake...where the main audience appears to be us developers. The supposed "semantic web" is another one. I wish they'd stop ramming this stuff down our throat.
panther
· 1 year ago
No Pete, I am afraid your analysis is a mix of 'pants' and 'self-interest' - your point 1) is totally liquified the instant data portability is standard - Point 2) Assumes that Web 2.0 users have, did have or will ever have an intelligent contribution towards Web 2.0 development - mis-&ssumption. Point 3) People don't make Web 2.0 - media networks like yours do, same old scenario as conventional media networks only the newest 'in crowd' variety. as with all the other media networks, 99% of output is utter trash.
I put it to you, that you are anti-data portability because it threatens you with having to get a 'real job' someday and undermines your particular scent of closed network advertisement revenue.
Your support for Micro-Hoo! is a classic example - fact is, you just mantra your paymaster's tune, you have a journalist's loyalties & royalties.
Tal Keinan
· 1 year ago
I enjoyed reading your post, but I believe that you failed to address certain issues.
1) While it is true that most users don't keep active identities in "dozens" social sites, most users do keep more than one identity. Some use Facebook and LinkedIn,others use Flickr and Bebo. The end result is that when you consider your friends' information as a whole, you ARE dealing with dozens services.
2) As you suggested in your post, Data Portability is not just about friends lists. The idea is also to offer users the ability and flexibility to consume their social content in various forms.
3) I don't agree with your statement: "I could take my Facebook “data†with me to another Web 2.0 service, but if the friends “contained†within that data aren’t using that service, what’s the point?"
Would you say that it makes sense for a certain user take his Dopplr "data" and share it within Facebook? Clearly you don't need all your Facebook friends to be on Dopplr in order to gain value from the integration.
I think T.B.L is actually asking a very straight forward question: who owns User Generated Content? Capturing the semantics of U.G.C is powerful precisely because it can then be leveraged in so many different ways. Once we start taking advantage of it, even non-geek users will appreciate the benefits. The end result, in my opinion, would be that services that will fail to offer access to such content will eventually be replaced by those that will.
(Disclosure: I am the CoFounder and CEO of a company that will benefit from Data Portability)
John Blackwell
· 1 year ago
I read the first line and then zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz eh who? What? Oh sorry, forgot what i was talking about now.
Neil H
· 1 year ago
"Sure, it can be a little inconvenient to have a dozen or more different usernames and passwords on various services...but ever heard of something call a pen and paper? Poof, problem solved."
Thousands of computer security specialists the world over just slammed their heads on their desk.
Anthony van de Veen
· 1 year ago
How can you say that users will not pick up on a better usability of everything they do on the internet??? Data profiling is the way forward and goes a lot further then just swapping friends and video's from one social network to the other. It will maintain your personal life on the (mobile) internet. The internet is (slowly) moving to a full information retrieval system where every individual will be hosting, securing and managing their own data and having the services they desire log in to this.
How is this not user friendly? And how does this not make the next generation or maybe even the current 2.0 services not think about better solutions for the user? They said the same thing about RSS when it got introduced. Now my mom is even getting her new recipies in her reader every day!
Osma Ahvenlampi
· 1 year ago
When did the mainstream-segment users ever loudly demand anything, or analyze their decisions to a point that would be equivalent with "I won't join MySpace because they won't give my data to me"? Never, to my recollection. They're just going to do two years later what the early adopters do today without knowing exactly why they're doing it.
That is to say, users don't have to make a conscious decision to vote for Data Portability - the lack of it simply increases the friction of the network, and a system with less friction (once one comes about) will win.
Tara Kelly (PassPack)
· 1 year ago
Lack of data portability = vendor lock-in.
It's a nasty tactic by companies to force feed fidelity to their consumers instead of building loyalty based on quality. Data Portability makes good business sense.
@Idiocracy Pen and paper don't cut it. Try a password manager:
First of all, I don't think it's about Drama 2.0 or T.B.L being right or wrong. I think Drama brings up a most valid point that many techs want to overlook:
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Non-techs don't care about Data Portability.
Will they ultimately benefit from it? YES!
---
-Drama 2.0 is definitely right that it is not our "universal right" to have Data Portability, and a lot of people sound like whining babies when talking about it.
-Panther is right that regular users have minimal contribution to Web 2.87 Development.
---
Either way, the point of such a conversation like this is not to toot our own horns for how on point our opinions are, but to collectively craft how we think the web should evolve. The point of such conversations is practical. So let's make this dialectic take a constructive and and more practical turn:
What is the best iteration of this so called "Data Portability" ? Drama makes a valid point:
"I could take my Facebook 'data' with me to another Web 2.0 service, but if the friends 'contained' within that data aren’t using that service, what’s the point?"
The point is that any Data Portability evolutions in our Web browsers must address the solution to this as well. I think the solution lies within an expanded definition of "Data Portability." What if you brought your friend's list AND all their content (maybe only that which you have personally encountered), and even all their friend’s list for 3 degrees of separation? What if you bring your friends list in a way that allows them to communicate in a cross-network sort of way from Facebook to Flickr (i.e. you can receive their comments and private messages in all your networks, wherever you are)? The content and the several degrees of separation that includes countless friend’s list would simply have to be a large, constantly updating, xml or RDF file in your browser. But the cross-network communication would rely on your browser having a built in communication API. But why can’t it have that too? It would serve as a middleman for all your emails and messages, and the inbox on every network you are a part of would show all your messages. Y doesn’t gmail just build an API for new social networks reply to messages directly in your gmail inbox, and to accept and reject friend requests, etc. My point is that this part doesn’t need to happen in the browser; it just needs to happen in a widely popular email client…But let’s get back to the data part: What if your friend list and thousands of friend lists for several degrees of separation were taken with you to whatever site you went to, and the same with all their content that you have access to, as well as the comments on all this content? Well, this would be awesome to users, and NEW websites. Every new website would get thousands of users and all their content the second one user signsup—no major pre-existing network would want to partake. Therefore this technology will never take off. But what happens if only the person that brought all this data could see it. And public data for everyone to see would only be based on users who actually signed up for the site/service. THESE ARE THE PRACTICAL THOUGHTS WE NEED START HAVING! What is the ideal form of data portability. It’s more than a friggin xml file stored in your browser that has a list of your 100 friends, and your uploaded and favorite music, videos, and pics. A lot more can be done. The only issue is that web browsers are the key ingredient here. But, it doesn’t need to be Firefox or IE that make this happen. It can be just like the Flash plug-in. It could even be multiple plug-ins by multiple companies—the point is that it at least needs to have common xml formatting and common methods to access it.
So at the end of the day, who cares what T.B.L and all these guys are still ruminating about. One such plug-in needs to become widely popular by signing up an initial bunch of web services to use it to facilitate data portability for its new users! From there, more and more websites will plug-themselves into it, allowing the portability of more and more data, until sites like Facebook and Ebay have to play along because the interconnected web that is every site plugged into this system has more critical mass than Facebook and Ebay!!! That is going to be the new tipping point for when uber-sites like those have to simply offer better features, rather than just more users and more data. It’s essentially going to be a democratization capitalist sort things that makes it so CONTENT DOESN’T RULE ANYMORE—FEATURES DO! At which point, end users, who had nothing to do with the crafting of this technology, are ultimately benefited completely, because features they are getting access to better and better features then they ever were before. Keep in mind that this is not only because companies need to focus more on quality products now instead of cornering markets with aggressive business tactics, but because users can now jump quickly and efficiently from one website to another, using it as if it’s one big website or software program!
So, all we need is for our browser to have this functionality. That’s it. Once it does, all that needs to happen is sites need to connect to it.
This brings me to LUKUP. I am VP of Marketing for LUKUP, a company that does exactly this. It will be the answer to Data Portability and the Platform Wars between Open Social and Facebook. It will include RDF and FOAF, and it will push the envelope in terms of what xhtml and our browsers should support natively.
Lukup preemptively supports a technology that will truly make the data of their users portable. The key ingredient is this browser plug-in, which makes a user’s data “go portable.†Any new site the user goes to will be able to access it via its API.
While regular users might confuse this as just another cool thing the web offers, what will happen for people and companies in the tech world is a lot different: companies that don’t follow the program will fall off, while the ones that keep up won’t. Period. The issue here is will Facebook be like Ebay? Ebay reached the “tipping-point†where it just dominates everything having to do with auctions on the web, and no new auction site will ever be able to compete. Will Facebook be the same for online socializing? Will the web just be dominated by certain market leaders forever?
Well, the answer is Lukup. With Lukup’s browser plug-in and API, BOTH could eBay and Facebook will end their dominance. Why not offer a way to make it so your Products follow you wherever you are! Websites just need to build into the API to show your products on your profile page, or wherever. The point is that it doesn’t just end with Friend-lists, or several degrees of separation. It doesn’t even end with anything. Lukup allows for new data types to be created on the fly and tagged up and pulled by other companies that also want to take advantage of such newly portable data! No one company will be able to dominate a given market by the sheer number of users and amount of data they store alone.
So the question is: how are you going to make this technology widespread when the market-leaders, who already have most of the users, won’t want to get behind it themselves. Well, the answer is we’re going to have to rely on the premise of the Long-Tail. The long-tail says, for this particular scenario, that the number of users on all the given number of small sites, services and social networks will be larger than the total number of users on the Ebays, Youtubes, and Myspaces. And these smaller sites will want to use the technology to peel off users from the Ebays, Youtubes, and Myspaces. So the real question is whether the Long-tail Premise is already true for the web???
Anyway, I really didn’t mean to make this a marketing piece about Lukup (and a very blabbery one, as I’m sure you’ll agree). But the point is Drama 2.0 is right about one thing in general: too many people are “getting their panties in a knot over data portability.†The challenges are obvious and the solutions are obvious too! It’s about time we just do it. I offer Lukup as our solution (very very close to release). It will make every new user you get feel at home immediately, while benefiting from the innovative features of your site. We’re sure all your initial users that take advantage of this will be the .000001% of web 2.0 techs that we are. But we are also sure that the more of you that implement this, the larger that percentage will grow until we are a threat to the Facebook and Ebays!
Data Portability is in fact here and it is sites like ecirkit.com that is using it well. I am not fond of a there webtop interface and there does not seem to be a lot of action on the site but there tool the social penetrator extracts data very well and really fast. Youtube, Flickr, Facebook. I pulled in 40 of my youtube videos in like 20 seconds I also pulled in my photos and profile from facebook in like 5 seconds. I only wish that this tool was on all social media sites so I could use it for other things other then ecirkit.
Pascal Van Hecke
· 1 year ago
Your quote:
"I could take my Facebook “data†with me to another Web 2.0 service, but if the friends “contained†within that data aren’t using that service, what’s the point?"
... unless you take pointers with you to their identities they keep using cross-service...
So, it seems that programmers & spammers are the only ones that will truly benefit from this. Joy...
Programmers and pundits who schlep the latest buzz words all over their comments look at DP as either a career opportunity (programmers/developers who don't have anything better to do than figure out ways to freeload traffic), or a scheme ready to happen (spammers who will sucker and flirt their way to 1000+ "friends" only to "port" their contact info into a database that they'll be happy to sell to anyone).
I suppose that's for the programmers, but don't get all high-on-the-horse about it. You intentions are just as base as the people you criticize... i.e. pursuit of the almighty $. And the spammers...well...they're still toads. But at least they're consistent.
Pen and paper are fine, just use common sense. I trust a locked home office desk drawer more than a password manager app that resides on a vulnerable computer with a 24-hr wireless connection. Not to forget, those computer security specialists make their $ by selling people their brand of security...and are simply looking out for #1, just like the folks in the paragraph above.
Besides... If it's really important, like an online banking ID, then take 10 minutes and put it in a 100% hacker-safe place... memorize it!
Idiocracy
· 1 year ago
If you liked Facebook Beacon...you'll LOVE data portability.
BTW, I've got a "Secret Crush" for you too... Oops!
Hooray for idealists, they make the criminals' lives easier.
All Comments
I'm so tired of this bullshit masquerading as a relevant cause.
Hey morons, what exactly is stopping you from copying and pasting your user info from MySpace to FaceBook? Oh, you don't have 20 minutes in your busy day to do such a thing? Everyone wants to press a magic button and have it happen instantaneously, which would require a gigantic infrastructure that only sites with massive budgets could support.
And why does someone need to move their videos from YouTube to MySpace when they can just embed fricking video on their profile. The videos are not even the same format, dumbasses Do you not understand simple technology or are you just retarded?
I just can't believe how stupid these DataPortablity people are.
"thank you whoever you are for telling it like it is."
I agree with you 100%
I think if they really want to make the web a better place for everyone and not just the techies, they need to work on this stuff completely behind the scenes so it doesn't effect the user experience which is already too complicated in many cases.
A lot like Open ID -- I, and 90% of the rest of the online community, could really care less. Sure, it can be a little inconvenient to have a dozen or more different usernames and passwords on various services...but ever heard of something call a pen and paper? Poof, problem solved.
Why try to force programmers to take time away from projects and services that MATTER, and try to force them do make it easier for people to be even MORE lazy...
Ever see the movie "Idiocracy"?
Hooray for lazy people thinking they have a right to be even more lazy!
Stupid use of valuable talent and man-hours.
This is not an example of well-funded startups shoving unnecessary technology down our throats. Rather, this is hypertext markup evolving to satisfy new demands. Everyone who uses the internet benefits from markup. This remains true as markup adapts over time. The semantic web is already widespread, set free by XHTML and web standards. Your own Drama20Show.com blog uses WordPress which automatically does the semantic markup for you.
While the average internet user may not be using multiple social networking sites, they still benefit from the social, semantic and portable web. One reason is that nearly everyone uses search engines, and of course search engines benefit from a social, semantic and portable web. In addition, nearly everyone uses email. Now we have both Yahoo Mail and Gmail wanting to improve the social behavior of email.
So the ultimate question is really do people want a more relevant web and easier ways to reach their friends? Per Sir Tim Berners-Lee, the answer is yes.
I put it to you, that you are anti-data portability because it threatens you with having to get a 'real job' someday and undermines your particular scent of closed network advertisement revenue.
Your support for Micro-Hoo! is a classic example - fact is, you just mantra your paymaster's tune, you have a journalist's loyalties & royalties.
1) While it is true that most users don't keep active identities in "dozens" social sites, most users do keep more than one identity. Some use Facebook and LinkedIn,others use Flickr and Bebo. The end result is that when you consider your friends' information as a whole, you ARE dealing with dozens services.
2) As you suggested in your post, Data Portability is not just about friends lists. The idea is also to offer users the ability and flexibility to consume their social content in various forms.
3) I don't agree with your statement: "I could take my Facebook “data†with me to another Web 2.0 service, but if the friends “contained†within that data aren’t using that service, what’s the point?"
Would you say that it makes sense for a certain user take his Dopplr "data" and share it within Facebook? Clearly you don't need all your Facebook friends to be on Dopplr in order to gain value from the integration.
I think T.B.L is actually asking a very straight forward question: who owns User Generated Content?
Capturing the semantics of U.G.C is powerful precisely because it can then be leveraged in so many different ways. Once we start taking advantage of it, even non-geek users will appreciate the benefits. The end result, in my opinion, would be that services that will fail to offer access to such content will eventually be replaced by those that will.
(Disclosure: I am the CoFounder and CEO of a company that will benefit from Data Portability)
Thousands of computer security specialists the world over just slammed their heads on their desk.
Data profiling is the way forward and goes a lot further then just swapping friends and video's from one social network to the other. It will maintain your personal life on the (mobile) internet.
The internet is (slowly) moving to a full information retrieval system where every individual will be hosting, securing and managing their own data and having the services they desire log in to this.
How is this not user friendly? And how does this not make the next generation or maybe even the current 2.0 services not think about better solutions for the user?
They said the same thing about RSS when it got introduced. Now my mom is even getting her new recipies in her reader every day!
That is to say, users don't have to make a conscious decision to vote for Data Portability - the lack of it simply increases the friction of the network, and a system with less friction (once one comes about) will win.
It's a nasty tactic by companies to force feed fidelity to their consumers instead of building loyalty based on quality. Data Portability makes good business sense.
@Idiocracy
Pen and paper don't cut it. Try a password manager:
http://tinyurl.com/38jxny
Cheers,
Tara
a most valid point that many techs want to overlook:
---
Non-techs don't care about Data Portability.
Will they ultimately benefit from it? YES!
---
-Drama 2.0 is definitely right that it is not our "universal right" to have Data Portability, and a lot of people sound like whining babies when talking about it.
-Panther is right that regular users have minimal contribution to Web 2.87 Development.
---
Either way, the point of such a conversation like this is not to toot our own horns for how on point our opinions are, but to collectively craft how we think the web should evolve. The point of such conversations is practical. So let's make this dialectic take a constructive and and more practical turn:
What is the best iteration of this so called "Data Portability" ? Drama makes a valid point:
"I could take my Facebook 'data' with me to another Web 2.0 service, but if the friends 'contained' within that data aren’t using that service, what’s the point?"
The point is that any Data Portability evolutions in our Web browsers must address the solution to this as well. I think the solution lies within an expanded definition of "Data Portability." What if you brought your friend's list AND all their content (maybe only that which you have personally encountered), and even all their friend’s list for 3 degrees of separation? What if you bring your friends list in a way that allows them to communicate in a cross-network sort of way from Facebook to Flickr (i.e. you can receive their comments and private messages in all your networks, wherever you are)? The content and the several degrees of separation that includes countless friend’s list would simply have to be a large, constantly updating, xml or RDF file in your browser. But the cross-network communication would rely on your browser having a built in communication API. But why can’t it have that too? It would serve as a middleman for all your emails and messages, and the inbox on every network you are a part of would show all your messages. Y doesn’t gmail just build an API for new social networks reply to messages directly in your gmail inbox, and to accept and reject friend requests, etc. My point is that this part doesn’t need to happen in the browser; it just needs to happen in a widely popular email client…But let’s get back to the data part: What if your friend list and thousands of friend lists for several degrees of separation were taken with you to whatever site you went to, and the same with all their content that you have access to, as well as the comments on all this content? Well, this would be awesome to users, and NEW websites. Every new website would get thousands of users and all their content the second one user signsup—no major pre-existing network would want to partake. Therefore this technology will never take off. But what happens if only the person that brought all this data could see it. And public data for everyone to see would only be based on users who actually signed up for the site/service. THESE ARE THE PRACTICAL THOUGHTS WE NEED START HAVING! What is the ideal form of data portability. It’s more than a friggin xml file stored in your browser that has a list of your 100 friends, and your uploaded and favorite music, videos, and pics. A lot more can be done. The only issue is that web browsers are the key ingredient here. But, it doesn’t need to be Firefox or IE that make this happen. It can be just like the Flash plug-in. It could even be multiple plug-ins by multiple companies—the point is that it at least needs to have common xml formatting and common methods to access it.
So at the end of the day, who cares what T.B.L and all these guys are still ruminating about. One such plug-in needs to become widely popular by signing up an initial bunch of web services to use it to facilitate data portability for its new users! From there, more and more websites will plug-themselves into it, allowing the portability of more and more data, until sites like Facebook and Ebay have to play along because the interconnected web that is every site plugged into this system has more critical mass than Facebook and Ebay!!! That is going to be the new tipping point for when uber-sites like those have to simply offer better features, rather than just more users and more data. It’s essentially going to be a democratization capitalist sort things that makes it so CONTENT DOESN’T RULE ANYMORE—FEATURES DO! At which point, end users, who had nothing to do with the crafting of this technology, are ultimately benefited completely, because features they are getting access to better and better features then they ever were before. Keep in mind that this is not only because companies need to focus more on quality products now instead of cornering markets with aggressive business tactics, but because users can now jump quickly and efficiently from one website to another, using it as if it’s one big website or software program!
So, all we need is for our browser to have this functionality. That’s it. Once it does, all that needs to happen is sites need to connect to it.
This brings me to LUKUP. I am VP of Marketing for LUKUP, a company that does exactly this. It will be the answer to Data Portability and the Platform Wars between Open Social and Facebook. It will include RDF and FOAF, and it will push the envelope in terms of what xhtml and our browsers should support natively.
Lukup preemptively supports a technology that will truly make the data of their users portable. The key ingredient is this browser plug-in, which makes a user’s data “go portable.†Any new site the user goes to will be able to access it via its API.
While regular users might confuse this as just another cool thing the web offers, what will happen for people and companies in the tech world is a lot different: companies that don’t follow the program will fall off, while the ones that keep up won’t. Period. The issue here is will Facebook be like Ebay? Ebay reached the “tipping-point†where it just dominates everything having to do with auctions on the web, and no new auction site will ever be able to compete. Will Facebook be the same for online socializing? Will the web just be dominated by certain market leaders forever?
Well, the answer is Lukup. With Lukup’s browser plug-in and API, BOTH could eBay and Facebook will end their dominance. Why not offer a way to make it so your Products follow you wherever you are! Websites just need to build into the API to show your products on your profile page, or wherever. The point is that it doesn’t just end with Friend-lists, or several degrees of separation. It doesn’t even end with anything. Lukup allows for new data types to be created on the fly and tagged up and pulled by other companies that also want to take advantage of such newly portable data! No one company will be able to dominate a given market by the sheer number of users and amount of data they store alone.
So the question is: how are you going to make this technology widespread when the market-leaders, who already have most of the users, won’t want to get behind it themselves. Well, the answer is we’re going to have to rely on the premise of the Long-Tail. The long-tail says, for this particular scenario, that the number of users on all the given number of small sites, services and social networks will be larger than the total number of users on the Ebays, Youtubes, and Myspaces. And these smaller sites will want to use the technology to peel off users from the Ebays, Youtubes, and Myspaces. So the real question is whether the Long-tail Premise is already true for the web???
Anyway, I really didn’t mean to make this a marketing piece about Lukup (and a very blabbery one, as I’m sure you’ll agree). But the point is Drama 2.0 is right about one thing in general: too many people are “getting their panties in a knot over data portability.†The challenges are obvious and the solutions are obvious too! It’s about time we just do it. I offer Lukup as our solution (very very close to release). It will make every new user you get feel at home immediately, while benefiting from the innovative features of your site. We’re sure all your initial users that take advantage of this will be the .000001% of web 2.0 techs that we are. But we are also sure that the more of you that implement this, the larger that percentage will grow until we are a threat to the Facebook and Ebays!
James
From
FaceySpacey.com, Your One Stop Social Media Shop
"I could take my Facebook “data†with me to another Web 2.0 service, but if the friends “contained†within that data aren’t using that service, what’s the point?"
... unless you take pointers with you to their identities they keep using cross-service...
Relevant read: http://factoryjoe.com/blog/2008/01/03/its-high-...
Programmers and pundits who schlep the latest buzz words all over their comments look at DP as either a career opportunity (programmers/developers who don't have anything better to do than figure out ways to freeload traffic), or a scheme ready to happen (spammers who will sucker and flirt their way to 1000+ "friends" only to "port" their contact info into a database that they'll be happy to sell to anyone).
I suppose that's for the programmers, but don't get all high-on-the-horse about it. You intentions are just as base as the people you criticize... i.e. pursuit of the almighty $. And the spammers...well...they're still toads. But at least they're consistent.
Pen and paper are fine, just use common sense. I trust a locked home office desk drawer more than a password manager app that resides on a vulnerable computer with a 24-hr wireless connection. Not to forget, those computer security specialists make their $ by selling people their brand of security...and are simply looking out for #1, just like the folks in the paragraph above.
Besides... If it's really important, like an online banking ID, then take 10 minutes and put it in a 100% hacker-safe place... memorize it!
BTW, I've got a "Secret Crush" for you too... Oops!
Hooray for idealists, they make the criminals' lives easier.