Looks like a desesperate move to catch up with Wordpress and Buddypress, without going the opensource way :( Still pretty appealing for media who choosed to go the MT way :)
Smoothie
· 1 year ago
Movable Type are involved? Sheesh.
DL Byron
· 1 year ago
Your post makes me yearn for the days of old media and reporters with editors checking facts and sources and even just what they're saying. Your posts doesn't explain at all what the differences are between the apps. This sentence is incoherent and I'm guessing you just chopped up a press release.
"the next step for the blogging software creator is a new self-service option for site publishers to add social networking capabilities to their online publications"
Anil
· 1 year ago
Fabrice, that's an absurd comparison. First, Movable Type Pro *exists*. At least until next year or so, BuddyPress is vaporware. Second, MT Pro's features are based on the Movable Type Community Solution, which has been around for more than a year and powers sites all over the web like Talking Points Memo and AMC's Mad Men blog and tons more. So this isn't a theoretical set of plugins that someone can cobble together to try to graft on social features, this is a cohesive platform that you can get professional support and services for, and use to build a large scale sites.
Plus, you get all the benefits of MT 4.2: It's completely open source, it comes with free TypePad AntiSpam which is also open source, and it's up to 100x faster for common tasks. All that while being far, far more secure than WordPress.
In short, this is where blogging is going next, combining open social features with really robust publshing and content management. We're glad that others agree that's the future, and we're proud that Movable Type is the first to get there.
Fabrice Epelboin
· 1 year ago
Anil, I agree with you on one point, this is definitely where blogging, at least blogging platform is going. Won't comment about MT being open source, but this is far from reality, it's an hybrid model, and I like Wordpress' model better (personal opinion). As to Buddypress being vaporware... Well, not exactly - you can download it if you want - let's say beta... ok... alpha... you go a point... er... half of it, actualy ;)
Fabrice Epelboin
· 1 year ago
... not to mention another point you got right: you got support, and a pretty good one (yes, I've been working with MT) and that's a great plus to your offer, probably the reason it sells so well. If I was a media, going the MT way is going the safe way, and therefore probably the best or - at least - the only possible way.
But still, I strongly disagree with you saying MT is opensource, it's not that clear, it's based on an opensource product (so is OSX, BTW), and that's a totaly different story.
Jeremy
· 1 year ago
How is it not open source? MT is released under the GPL same as Wordpress. If you want paid support, 6A developed addons you pay a small amount. What isn't clear?
Zack Beatty
· 1 year ago
>> Looks like a desesperate move to catch up with Wordpress and Buddypress, without going the opensource way >> No, this is actually a move into the space occupied by Ning, Flux, Wetpaint, and KickApps. This is the Long Tail of social networking.
If you're a content publisher/owner and you're not paying attention to White Label Social Networking, you're simply not paying attention. Google's announcement of "Friend Connect" finally ratified the importance of the concept, but it was pioneered in various forms by those companies I mention above.
"Social networking is a feature, not a destination."
rrcatto
· 1 year ago
@Anil Dash: "All that while being far, far more secure than WordPress."
This is what losers say when they've lost the battle, and the war.
WordPress kicked your ass out of the door.
@Fabrice: "not to mention another point you got right: you got support, and a pretty good one (yes, I've been working with MT) and that's a great plus to your offer, probably the reason it sells so well. If I was a media, going the MT way is going the safe way, and therefore probably the best or - at least - the only possible way."
South African media powerhouses have adopted WordPress and customised it to their own purposes.
Do you really think geeks need support? It's Open Source Software. Read the CODE. Read the DOCS. If you still can't figure it out, you're not a programmer, you're just plain incompetent.
No, we don't need support.
Anil
· 1 year ago
rrcatto, if the only people who are able to publish on the web, or able to connect with communities online, are those who "Read the CODE", then those of us who truly love the web will have failed. Our mission at Six Apart is based on the idea that, no, you *don't* need to be a programmer if you have something worthwhile to say, and that any time more people are sharing their ideas online, we're winning.
And that's the truth. When we started, a lot of people still thought blogging itself was a fad, or that we bloggers would never have the impact that we've had on media, on politics, on culture, on community, on society itself. But now that impact is undeniable. Frankly, we're thrilled any time anybody starts publishing on the web, regardless of which platform. If you prefer WordPress, great! Our Media team can help you with advertising on your site. Our Blogs.com team at Six Apart can help promote your site. Six Apart makes Blog It to make it easier to update that site from within Facebook or on your iPhone, and we make TypePad AntiSpam so you don't have to pay for Akismet just to get great comment spam protection.
In short, when people are expressing themselves online, and using the power of blogs to power communities, then we're winning. I don't know what war you're fighting, or who you want to go to battle with, but if you think there's victory in battling those that want to help more voices get online, then I'm not sure why you'd participate in a community like the one here at Mashable.
rrcatto
· 1 year ago
@Anil: In MoveableType's case, reading the code is not that easy, since it's written in perl and most web developers use PHP these days.
My comment though was about Corporate usage of blogging software. If they need support, they're obviously not employing programmers competent enough to do their job without hand holding.
For ordinary bloggers who need support, there's plenty of fellow bloggers to turn to for help if they get stuck.
I've used MT before back in 2004 and 2005 before I discovered WordPress and switched my site over. I found it a chore to edit MT templates and I didn't find a whole community of (free) template developers releasing great looking designs.
I also found the WP dashboard easier to use. Plus at that time, comment and trackback spam was killing my MT site. I use akismet for free. You're still playing catch up to that product. I use EntreCard and two local South African blog aggregators for promotion.
The WP iphone app is more popular than the TypePad iphone app, even though it was released after yours.
It is not me who is fighting any war, it is you, every time you try to make out that MT is better than WordPress, every time you disparage the WordPress community. You've lost so much ground to them, and it bites.
Adding social networking capabilities to MT is not going to get you on top of WordPress. If the WordPress community wants those features, people will write plugins to make that happen. The creator of BuddyPress already deployed a social networking web site and then decided to re-write the software and release it for free to the WP community.
While you choose to disparage a community of developers who "cobble together" plugins to "graft on social features", we see that as a major strength. WordPress has plenty of professional developers writing software that enhances the platform. In South Africa, WordPress has been adopted by more than one mainstream media outlet to power their web sites.
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Still pretty appealing for media who choosed to go the MT way :)
"the next step for the blogging software creator is a new self-service option for site publishers to add social networking capabilities to their online publications"
Plus, you get all the benefits of MT 4.2: It's completely open source, it comes with free TypePad AntiSpam which is also open source, and it's up to 100x faster for common tasks. All that while being far, far more secure than WordPress.
In short, this is where blogging is going next, combining open social features with really robust publshing and content management. We're glad that others agree that's the future, and we're proud that Movable Type is the first to get there.
Won't comment about MT being open source, but this is far from reality, it's an hybrid model, and I like Wordpress' model better (personal opinion).
As to Buddypress being vaporware... Well, not exactly - you can download it if you want - let's say beta... ok... alpha... you go a point... er... half of it, actualy ;)
But still, I strongly disagree with you saying MT is opensource, it's not that clear, it's based on an opensource product (so is OSX, BTW), and that's a totaly different story.
Looks like a desesperate move to catch up with Wordpress and Buddypress, without going the opensource way
>>
No, this is actually a move into the space occupied by Ning, Flux, Wetpaint, and KickApps. This is the Long Tail of social networking.
If you're a content publisher/owner and you're not paying attention to White Label Social Networking, you're simply not paying attention. Google's announcement of "Friend Connect" finally ratified the importance of the concept, but it was pioneered in various forms by those companies I mention above.
"Social networking is a feature, not a destination."
This is what losers say when they've lost the battle, and the war.
WordPress kicked your ass out of the door.
@Fabrice: "not to mention another point you got right: you got support, and a pretty good one (yes, I've been working with MT) and that's a great plus to your offer, probably the reason it sells so well. If I was a media, going the MT way is going the safe way, and therefore probably the best or - at least - the only possible way."
South African media powerhouses have adopted WordPress and customised it to their own purposes.
Do you really think geeks need support? It's Open Source Software. Read the CODE. Read the DOCS. If you still can't figure it out, you're not a programmer, you're just plain incompetent.
No, we don't need support.
And that's the truth. When we started, a lot of people still thought blogging itself was a fad, or that we bloggers would never have the impact that we've had on media, on politics, on culture, on community, on society itself. But now that impact is undeniable. Frankly, we're thrilled any time anybody starts publishing on the web, regardless of which platform. If you prefer WordPress, great! Our Media team can help you with advertising on your site. Our Blogs.com team at Six Apart can help promote your site. Six Apart makes Blog It to make it easier to update that site from within Facebook or on your iPhone, and we make TypePad AntiSpam so you don't have to pay for Akismet just to get great comment spam protection.
In short, when people are expressing themselves online, and using the power of blogs to power communities, then we're winning. I don't know what war you're fighting, or who you want to go to battle with, but if you think there's victory in battling those that want to help more voices get online, then I'm not sure why you'd participate in a community like the one here at Mashable.
My comment though was about Corporate usage of blogging software. If they need support, they're obviously not employing programmers competent enough to do their job without hand holding.
For ordinary bloggers who need support, there's plenty of fellow bloggers to turn to for help if they get stuck.
I've used MT before back in 2004 and 2005 before I discovered WordPress and switched my site over. I found it a chore to edit MT templates and I didn't find a whole community of (free) template developers releasing great looking designs.
I also found the WP dashboard easier to use. Plus at that time, comment and trackback spam was killing my MT site. I use akismet for free. You're still playing catch up to that product. I use EntreCard and two local South African blog aggregators for promotion.
The WP iphone app is more popular than the TypePad iphone app, even though it was released after yours.
It is not me who is fighting any war, it is you, every time you try to make out that MT is better than WordPress, every time you disparage the WordPress community. You've lost so much ground to them, and it bites.
Adding social networking capabilities to MT is not going to get you on top of WordPress. If the WordPress community wants those features, people will write plugins to make that happen. The creator of BuddyPress already deployed a social networking web site and then decided to re-write the software and release it for free to the WP community.
While you choose to disparage a community of developers who "cobble together" plugins to "graft on social features", we see that as a major strength. WordPress has plenty of professional developers writing software that enhances the platform. In South Africa, WordPress has been adopted by more than one mainstream media outlet to power their web sites.