you got to be kidding me. you are comparing RIA web tech like Silverlight 2.0 and of course FLEX 3.0 and JavaFX with Javascript!!??.
i don`t even feel compelled to answer this. i have talked to a javascript guy and he told me that while it is interesting. it is impossible to have as fast development on javascript and have as powerful apps compared to silverlight, flex or javafx.
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· 1 year ago
I think an enhanced Javascript can very well be the biggest threat to Silverlight. Javascript (if it is fast -- And hopefully it will be in the Google/Mozilla browsers, for a start) lets you create very rich apps without needing any plugin at all. That is a very very big selling point for Javascript.
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· 1 year ago
sure. i never said it was not possible. but it will not be just JS. it needs to be a combination of HTML 5, CSS 3, JS 4.0 and more to archive it. but even then, will it be as powerful and the development will be as fast?. that is the question. and the answer right now is NO. people are getting too ahead of things have not even happened yet as if they were already happening.
dave
· 1 year ago
JS4? JavaScript 2.0 isn't even fully defined yet, where are you finding JS4? The only thing that doesn't exist is a development like the Flash authoring tool.
If someone makes a tool like the Flash authoring stuff for JS, SVG, and SMIL, Flash will immediately be useless in Firefox, Google Chrome, Opera, and Apple Safari. If you can convience users to install an SVG plugin in Internet Explorer, you're done.
I say install a plugin for IE because Microsoft will never offer native support for a competing product, hell they don't offer support for standards from 10 years ago, no suprise they won't add anything from this decade.
Fortunately, people like the guys at google have figured out ways to use javascript to add things microsoft refuses to do, without requiring a plugin. If you've ever seen a CANVAS based page work in IE, you'll see that JavaScript in its current incarnation (1.2) is more than powerful enough to hold its own against Flash and Silverlight.
Theres a 3D Shooter written in JavaScript that runs in the browser for example.
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· 1 year ago
i was for a moment thinking on ES. but that is dead. yeah. it was JS 2. i think the most interesting thing in js right now is that Objective-j stuff. like the one used in 280slides or what sproutcore is doing. but it seriously depends on what kind of app you are doing.what i meant is that it would not be just JS. it would a mix of things working with JS.
dave
· 1 year ago
You realize the latest versions of flash, using ActionScript3.0 are essentially JavaScript right?
If your javascript guy doesn't see how it can happen, your javascript guy isn't that great of a javascript guy.
Take a look at things like Googles Analytics and add in support for SVGs in future browsers and there is no logical reason why Silverlight and Flash need to exist for graphical content. Sound is still missing, but Adobe helped to START SVG to replace FLASH before they were able to simply BUY Macromedia to obtain Flash.
Its funny that Adobe thought they could beat out Flash with JavaScript/SVG before they owned Macromedia yet you don't think it can be done.
sammy braswell
· 1 year ago
as the article above praises flesh and javafx , and leaves something to be desired of msft. has anyone thought about the fact that both companies use the video technology on a company in new york named On2 Technology. just a thought.
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· 1 year ago
Flex and Silverlight are needed and here to stay because they are what is going to represent Adobe and Microsoft into the future. if Acrobat.com and Live Mesh is any indication already. they got superior development tools. just for silverlight you have visual studio, expression studio and even popfly if you want to do something quick and more basic. Adobe is going to add thermo and something for AIR that right now goes with the rumored name "AIRbase". that is when we came to development times. the guy i asked said that RIGHT NOW, it was impossible to have development times as fast as you could do with flex or silverlight. not that it was impossible to develop something impressive. maybe your are right and he is not that good. but then what quality of JS developer you need for the stuff to be as good and be developed as fast as something a run of the mill flex or silverlight developer can churn without much effort?. then there is the bottom line: Adobe is not going to ditch flash,flex or AIR and microsoft will not ditch Silverlight. therefore they would do well.
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· 1 year ago
finally. on the post in question here. there is a very glaring omission on part of Silverlight because it is not meant as just a browser plugin. it will jump to the desktop as Flex did with AIR ad it is already out on final testing for mobiles in general, not just WM. i think those are reasons alone in the short term why silverlight will be able to thrive as a competitor to Adobe.
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i don`t even feel compelled to answer this. i have talked to a javascript guy and he told me that while it is interesting. it is impossible to have as fast development on javascript and have as powerful apps compared to silverlight, flex or javafx.
If someone makes a tool like the Flash authoring stuff for JS, SVG, and SMIL, Flash will immediately be useless in Firefox, Google Chrome, Opera, and Apple Safari. If you can convience users to install an SVG plugin in Internet Explorer, you're done.
I say install a plugin for IE because Microsoft will never offer native support for a competing product, hell they don't offer support for standards from 10 years ago, no suprise they won't add anything from this decade.
Fortunately, people like the guys at google have figured out ways to use javascript to add things microsoft refuses to do, without requiring a plugin. If you've ever seen a CANVAS based page work in IE, you'll see that JavaScript in its current incarnation (1.2) is more than powerful enough to hold its own against Flash and Silverlight.
Theres a 3D Shooter written in JavaScript that runs in the browser for example.
If your javascript guy doesn't see how it can happen, your javascript guy isn't that great of a javascript guy.
Take a look at things like Googles Analytics and add in support for SVGs in future browsers and there is no logical reason why Silverlight and Flash need to exist for graphical content. Sound is still missing, but Adobe helped to START SVG to replace FLASH before they were able to simply BUY Macromedia to obtain Flash.
Its funny that Adobe thought they could beat out Flash with JavaScript/SVG before they owned Macromedia yet you don't think it can be done.
that is when we came to development times. the guy i asked said that RIGHT NOW, it was impossible to have development times as fast as you could do with flex or silverlight. not that it was impossible to develop something impressive. maybe your are right and he is not that good. but then what quality of JS developer you need for the stuff to be as good and be developed as fast as something a run of the mill flex or silverlight developer can churn without much effort?. then there is the bottom line: Adobe is not going to ditch flash,flex or AIR and microsoft will not ditch Silverlight. therefore they would do well.