Come now, Mark. Terrorists aren't hatemongers. They are just misunderstood. Besides that they are BROWN. We must be nice to the brown people at all costs!
But not Joe Lieberman. He's just mean. We can't have that. He's a hatemongering white man. not only that, he's a JEW. Oh, the horror.
You Tube has become one of the most absurd creations in the history of man.
Mark "Rizzn" Hopkins
· 1 year ago
While YouTube is the most egregious censorship offender, Google is not with completely clean hands in that respect.
That YouTube creates a system in which terrorists fighting to enact systems of government that will eliminate free speech have more free speech than those living in "free speech zones," well, that's absurdist.
Travis
· 1 year ago
Who cares.
Mark "Rizzn" Hopkins
· 1 year ago
Travis, clearly the government cares. When the government starts caring about something, then they get their grubby little paws in it, over-regulate it, and it ceases to be the free speech haven we've come to know and love here on the Internets.
YouTube has to start self-policing in a way that makes sense to prevent this.
Matt
· 1 year ago
Not to mention... I care (as do countless others I am willing to bet). The fact that you seem not to is more than troubling.
snyggast
· 1 year ago
I'm glad someone took notice. Youtube clearly backs terrorist propaganda but if you try to counter the Islamic propaganda on Youtube, they will report you to Youtube and your account will get suspended.
Norix
· 1 year ago
Isn't that the whole point of the flagging system? If you have a problem with it, flag it enough times and they will look at it.
Other than that, I don't think its a big deal anyway. If somebody wants to do terroristic activities you can show him cute fuzzy things all day and he'll still do it because he feels suppressed or whatever and if somebody doesn't want to do any terroristic things then they won't.
Mark "Rizzn" Hopkins
· 1 year ago
Norix, would you suggest then that we give all terrorist organizations their own shortwave broadcast station and a free satellite channel so that cable companies around the world can pick up and syndicate their signals? We can give it standard issue with their first Fatwahs and orders of incorporation as non-profit organizations.
It's less about preventing them from making the videos, and more about preventing them from distributing them widely. There are security concerns as well as marketing concerns. I can't start a company that sells murder for hire and put ads up on YouTube. That's what al-qaeda is doing, and they're getting away with it.
YouTube has a hypocritical 'free speech and decency' policy. Until they show consistency, I will continue to call them out on it.
anon
· 1 year ago
I've never been so tempted to unsubscribe from Mashable in my life.
Matt
· 1 year ago
Awesome Mark! Keep at them! The fact that there are people who are making excuses for YouTube is an outrage!
This is something that has desperately been in need of attention for far too long. People honestly care more about using YouTube tomorrow than they do about human life... it's pathetically selfish and for that reason alone I can't wait till they see the consequences of their complacency in the form of YouTube being taken offline by the United States DHS. (Which will magically be a SINGLE day before YouTube announces a very effective new technology in keeping this swill off the band.)
Google = DO no evil (just silently support, nay, encourage it.)
Adam
· 1 year ago
Americans just don't really seem to understand the whole 'free speech' thing, do they?
Leo
· 1 year ago
"videos are there to promote the organization, and those organizations regularly organize the killings of innocent humans"
Do you realize that, seeing from another perspective, what you just wrote may apply to organizazionts like the U.S. army?
[answer: no, you probably don't realize it even now that I point you to it! How could you even think of adding "in Iraq" at the end of that sentence without feeling ridicule?]
U.S. governement may (partially) succeed in blocking access to YouTube in the U.S.A., but I think it does not have any power regarding what will be seen by other people in the rest of the world: that's globalization and the Internet.
Mark "Rizzn" Hopkins
· 1 year ago
My only failure was to that I didn't realize that the fringe element who really and truly believe that folks in Al Qaeda and the so-called "freedom fighters" in Iraq would be considered "innocent humans" by the readers of Mashable, and that the US Army is as bad as terrorists, apparently.
Sorry, I guess I gave a few of you too much credit.
Joe
· 1 year ago
Wow, I never would have thought i would have seen something like this on a TECH web site, that has the headline SOCIAL NETWORKING NEWS. It's either stories are seriously lacking, or there is some other agenda.
Mark "Rizzn" Hopkins
· 1 year ago
This falls directly into the type of news we cover. Policy issues that affect the various social media news sites we cover on a daily basis is something we've never shied away from covering here at Mashable.
Joe
· 1 year ago
Now lets get back to your point on 'known terrorists' having videos on you tube(please post links i would like to see them) as i have never come across any.
Joe
· 1 year ago
Being called a terrorist by the US government is very subjective. Case in point, TO DATE the African National Congress (ANC) is classified as a terrorist organisation. Condo has to sign waivers everytime anyone from there has to visit the US. Now the ANC is currently the ruling party in a Democratic state(South Africa), they were fighting against injustice and apartheid yet they were 'branded' terrorists and still are after more then a decade.
Mark "Rizzn" Hopkins
· 1 year ago
I'm not up on my South African politics and the nuance of the events there, but there are a great deal of concerns I have just reading impartial accounts of ANC activities. There's quite a bit of evidence for both sides, and I'm not an expert on what the criteria for determining what makes "Freedom Fighters" into "terrorists."
I do have no doubt in my mind that the same group that destroyed the WTC is in fact a terrorist organization, the same folks Senator Lieberman is decrying.
Joe
· 1 year ago
One mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter...
jeff Ubois
· 1 year ago
There is definitely some horrific video coming out of the conflicts in the middle east. I was part of a workshop that discussed how sites like YouTube could deal with these images in ways that respected the first amendment, as well as various community standards. Some notes on that are at http://war.archival.tv/workshop/.
Jonas
· 1 year ago
Promoting terrorism is inexcusable. Videos promoting America's military should also be taken down because those organizations regularly organize the killings of innocent humans, in Iraq and elsewhere.
Mark "Rizzn" Hopkins
· 1 year ago
That's the same attitude the censors at YouTube seem to have. You'd fit in pretty well over there.
mat
· 1 year ago
"If YouTube can spend millions enforcing DMCA and piracy concerns..."
You can filter against known content in order to spot copyright infringement.
How would you suggest we the same technology, currently an industry bench mark, to catch "terrorist" videos- look for uses of Arabic?
What a joke.
Mark "Rizzn" Hopkins
· 1 year ago
How is it that YouTube is able to filter for videos that decry Islamic extremism and al qaeda terrorists, and take those down in a matter of days, but they claim an inability to do the same for groups coming from known terrorists?
Something in the system, whether it be community requests or a filtration system (likely the former, not the latter), is alerting them to this content.
I displayed the multiple standards they use for what should be censored and what isn't. They need to amend their policy on paper, or amend their filtration systems. Otherwise, bottom line? The governmetn will step in and tell them exactly what they need to do to fix the system, regardless of how technically feasible it is.
another joe
· 1 year ago
"One mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter..." i second that.
Hypocrite Alert
· 1 year ago
Google & YouTube are a bunch of 2-faced hypocrites! Rah-rah free speech to terrorists, but censor free speech to all of China. Ridiculous!
No more YouTube (and terrorist propaganda) in my home!
Glenn Harrold
· 1 year ago
These politicians and business keep hurting America and our economy, I'm starting to believe these conspiracy theorists that think the New World Order is trying to destroy our country.
Calvin Spealman
· 1 year ago
Do they say terrible things? Yes. Do they say it in a forum with more freedom than the world they seek to create? Yes. Do we ourselves have less freedom of public expression, resulting in our "war" against them? Yes.
Does this mean they should be silenced? Abso-fucking-lutely not.
Freedom of speech is absolute.
If we can't beat them without silencing their message, we obviously aren't being convincing enough to those they are converting. Fight them with our own free speech and expression.
Nalliah s nathan
· 1 year ago
yes thank you for the opportunity. Terror campaign by srilankan Government on innocent dispalced Tamils in the North has taken to the extream. The govt forces ahve used 500kg Cluster bombs on Displaced refugees from the North. The govt is using it's armed forces to KILL it's own citizen the Tamils. The recent Moombai terror by the Pakistani Islamic Killers. The Killers were dropped by the arms carring ships. In fact those ships according to RAW intelligence had been taking arms to Srilankan forces from Pakistan.There too the Srilankan terror connection is quite evident and Srilanka wants to annihilate India to keep the support and wants Indian Central Govt to turn their back on Indian Tamil Political pressure. What a foolish and Idiotic idea by The Srilankan and Pakistani collabration to perpetrate this brutal murders. I have to mention here that the international communities have kept their silence on the murders.
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But not Joe Lieberman. He's just mean. We can't have that. He's a hatemongering white man. not only that, he's a JEW. Oh, the horror.
You Tube has become one of the most absurd creations in the history of man.
That YouTube creates a system in which terrorists fighting to enact systems of government that will eliminate free speech have more free speech than those living in "free speech zones," well, that's absurdist.
YouTube has to start self-policing in a way that makes sense to prevent this.
Other than that, I don't think its a big deal anyway. If somebody wants to do terroristic activities you can show him cute fuzzy things all day and he'll still do it because he feels suppressed or whatever and if somebody doesn't want to do any terroristic things then they won't.
It's less about preventing them from making the videos, and more about preventing them from distributing them widely. There are security concerns as well as marketing concerns. I can't start a company that sells murder for hire and put ads up on YouTube. That's what al-qaeda is doing, and they're getting away with it.
YouTube has a hypocritical 'free speech and decency' policy. Until they show consistency, I will continue to call them out on it.
This is something that has desperately been in need of attention for far too long. People honestly care more about using YouTube tomorrow than they do about human life... it's pathetically selfish and for that reason alone I can't wait till they see the consequences of their complacency in the form of YouTube being taken offline by the United States DHS. (Which will magically be a SINGLE day before YouTube announces a very effective new technology in keeping this swill off the band.)
Google = DO no evil (just silently support, nay, encourage it.)
Do you realize that, seeing from another perspective, what you just wrote may apply to organizazionts like the U.S. army?
[answer: no, you probably don't realize it even now that I point you to it! How could you even think of adding "in Iraq" at the end of that sentence without feeling ridicule?]
U.S. governement may (partially) succeed in blocking access to YouTube in the U.S.A., but I think it does not have any power regarding what will be seen by other people in the rest of the world: that's globalization and the Internet.
Sorry, I guess I gave a few of you too much credit.
I do have no doubt in my mind that the same group that destroyed the WTC is in fact a terrorist organization, the same folks Senator Lieberman is decrying.
You can filter against known content in order to spot copyright infringement.
How would you suggest we the same technology, currently an industry bench mark, to catch "terrorist" videos- look for uses of Arabic?
What a joke.
Something in the system, whether it be community requests or a filtration system (likely the former, not the latter), is alerting them to this content.
I displayed the multiple standards they use for what should be censored and what isn't. They need to amend their policy on paper, or amend their filtration systems. Otherwise, bottom line? The governmetn will step in and tell them exactly what they need to do to fix the system, regardless of how technically feasible it is.
i second that.
No more YouTube (and terrorist propaganda) in my home!
Do they say it in a forum with more freedom than the world they seek to create? Yes.
Do we ourselves have less freedom of public expression, resulting in our "war" against them? Yes.
Does this mean they should be silenced? Abso-fucking-lutely not.
Freedom of speech is absolute.
If we can't beat them without silencing their message, we obviously aren't being convincing enough to those they are converting. Fight them with our own free speech and expression.
Terror campaign by srilankan Government on innocent dispalced Tamils in the North has taken to the extream.
The govt forces ahve used 500kg Cluster bombs on Displaced refugees from the North. The govt is using it's armed forces to KILL it's own citizen the Tamils. The recent Moombai terror by the Pakistani Islamic Killers. The Killers were dropped by the arms carring ships. In fact those ships according to RAW intelligence had been taking arms to Srilankan forces from Pakistan.There too the Srilankan terror connection is quite evident and Srilanka wants to annihilate India to keep the support and wants Indian Central Govt to turn their back on Indian Tamil Political pressure.
What a foolish and Idiotic idea by The Srilankan and Pakistani collabration to perpetrate this brutal murders.
I have to mention here that the international communities have kept their silence on the murders.