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Re: Is Twitter Vulnerable to Marketer Attack?

Jed Rose — Sat, 06 Jun 2009 07:35:43 -0000

What's really annoying me with twitter at the moment is all the folk who follow then unfollow when you don't reciprocate - but I guess it's silly to be mad at an automated tool.

Re: Is Twitter Vulnerable to Marketer Attack?

Murray Newlands — Fri, 03 Apr 2009 02:32:35 -0000

Interesting artical.

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polovni traktori — Thu, 05 Mar 2009 11:22:29 -0000

Mark,

I couldn’t agree more with what you have said. I bought Traffic Secrets 2.0 by John Reese, it was 12 disks of verbose ramblings. What I learned is, if you want to make money on the internet create the illusion of success spin that out. e.g. “here is how I make $25m by just walking by my keyboard” package and sell it. The twitter example exposes the fact that there is very little behind the hype.

Re: Is Twitter Vulnerable to Marketer Attack?

Jim — Sun, 31 Aug 2008 04:57:42 -0000

Mark, I am with you on preventing of abuse of social networks and other web 2.0 resources by spammers, but it seems very clear from john's response that so is he, in word and in deed:

http://www.income.com/blog/...

care to respond, now that i've wasted 5 minutes of my life here?

seems like an apology to reese and to all of your readers is in order.

Re: Is Twitter Vulnerable to Marketer Attack?

Keith Wellman — Thu, 28 Aug 2008 00:19:02 -0000

Wow...gotta love the ridiculous "ebook salesman" non-sense.

We'll refer to you and this site as the "ad blog scam"...

You simply write something everyday on the blog here and advertiser pay you nicely to slam ads in your unsuspecting readers faces...

Wait wait wait...you're not doing this as a charity? Oh...got it. You run a business. Same as anyone selling information; whether they do it through a book on the shelves at Barnes and Noble or a digital download...it's the same thing.

And when is the last time John Reese released an ebook???

Hey I certainly understand "opinions" but malicious posts like this with misleading information is just bad practice.

Oh and I love my position as an ebook salesman. It's very lucrative and a great way to deliver product instantly to those that would rather not wait.

Keith

Re: Is Twitter Vulnerable to Marketer Attack?

John Morris — Tue, 19 Aug 2008 12:04:50 -0000

To answer your question... Nope.

Re: Is Twitter Vulnerable to Marketer Attack?

Clint Lenard — Mon, 30 Jun 2008 14:11:23 -0000

Unless, of course, you read the ABOUT ME part of a blog...

Using "I" in an "ABOUT ME" situation would make a little sense, right? ;-)

Of course, when you're trying to make an example of what "you" have done - I would EXPECT "you" to explain what "you" are about and what "you" have done.

I do not know the man personally, but this seems to be a slam post on someone who can bring traffic from the "IM" community, to certain sites, simply by involving his name...

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ZenGlen — Mon, 30 Jun 2008 11:50:26 -0000

Just had to get my word in. Just one.

TRIPE!

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Phil K — Sat, 21 Jun 2008 16:20:29 -0000

Wow,...you almost paint people out to be as dumb and juvenile as this response. What a lonely world you must live in.

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Ryse — Fri, 20 Jun 2008 17:07:54 -0000

"those who would like to use the system for profit"

I guess this blog takes a loss every month and all the ads are just decoration.

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Allen — Fri, 20 Jun 2008 12:02:41 -0000

have you ever done a google search and seen tweets come up in the search results? Not much need to have a large number of followers when your tweets show in search results.

Re: Is Twitter Vulnerable to Marketer Attack?

Mike Mindel — Fri, 20 Jun 2008 09:48:17 -0000

This is a pretty poor post. It's just a character assassination poorly disguised as content with a snappy headline. What were you thinking man?

-Mike

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primuskannan — Fri, 20 Jun 2008 07:53:27 -0000

I am not sure why twitter with its huge number of users should be bothered by John Reese.

He is a successful entrepreneur and a smart one. He is tarred and feathered for no fault of his.
I am sure he can do with a bit of traffic from this.

Disclosure: I have not known him personally nor taken his courses but a member of a famous marketing
forum.

Re: Is Twitter Vulnerable to Marketer Attack?

tomw — Fri, 20 Jun 2008 07:29:00 -0000

I think it's hilarious that not only do you attempt to belittle one of the most successful and respected internet marketers by deeming him a mere "ebook salesman" but also have the nerve to try to eek out a cheap bit of PPC revenue from, of all things, his actual name in your article.

Compound this with the aforementioned issue that your own use of Twitter to market this blog is tantamount to the very thing you attempt to deride and we have quite a compelling case to assume that the post is simply link bait from a small minded, small fry nobody. This is the kind of cheap tactic most likely learnt in one of those $7 firesale, damaged stock, never to be repeated, guaranteed to make you an overnight millionaire or your money back, only 3 left in stock, ebooks!

What you fail to realise (most likely through a most obvious lack of research!) is that like most successful businessmen, John is indeed a success because he puts the needs of his prospects and customers at the top of his priority list. John has become "John Reese" because he has given a hell of a lot to the web community. Blog Rush being a great example. However, it's success is based squarely in the hands of its users and, as such, your opinion of whether or not it is a failure or success is irrelevant. What is totally relevant is the millions of people that use it, the four or five hundred grand spent to bring it to those users and the noble sentiment and very obvious desire to provide value and do something good for the little guy on John's part.

I also draw you attention to the fact that that page looks like a link farm from '94! Maybe if you really need to monetise the site so much you could do a lot worse than seek the advice or even purchase product from John Reese or any other of those multi-millionaire "WEB 2.0 flopsters."

Thomas

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Twitterfan — Fri, 20 Jun 2008 05:31:41 -0000

Good thoughts, Twitter is defintily going mainstream. I recently signed up to Twitter & am hooked. Recently came across a blog which confirms it.
http://www.capgemini.com/ct...

PS: I am always worried when big consultancies start taking interest in such things

Re: Is Twitter Vulnerable to Marketer Attack?

Bobby B — Fri, 20 Jun 2008 01:33:15 -0000

I like affiliate marketing. I like internet marketing. I also like Multi-Level-Marketing.

I believe all of these are viable and legitimate ways of getting needed and wanted products and services from the supplier or manufacturer to the consumer.

Just because there are morons out there who don't know the proper and professional way to utilize these marketing vehicles, does not make them schemes of any sort.

It just makes those people look, well, unprofessional.

I know tons of people who handle all three of these marketing vehicles in a professional manner, and reap the huge rewards that go along with it.

Those that handle it like an amateur, get amateur results... and usually are the disgruntled authors of blog posts similar to the one we're commenting on.

I like e-books too. I have found some extremely valuable information about multiple areas of life and business that were delivered in a digital format as opposed to a physical format. Doesn't matter to me. Valuable information is valuable information.

There are bad books on the shelves of bookstores across the world, but that doesn't make all books bad. Just as there are plenty of bad e-books in digital stores around the world... that doesn't make all e-books bad.

It's just a method of delivering information...

Your blog post is bad, but that doesn't make all blog posts bad... it's just the delivery method of YOUR bad info.

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Psychological Manipulator — Fri, 20 Jun 2008 01:07:44 -0000

You are getting very sleepy.

You feel deep relaxation.

You feel the sudden urge to whip out your credit card and input the numbers into my order form.

You feel very happy about this decision.

When I count to three, you will awaken and remember nothing... but you will feel great.

1...

2...

oh yeah, even though you are educated, you will have no clue that I took control of your mind and made you give me money for ebooks... even though I don't sell ebooks.

1...

2...

oops, almost forgot... if anyone ever says anything negative about me, even though you are well educated... you will have an uncontrollable urge to defend me against moronic claims.

1...

2...

one more thing... you will be utterly convinced that my "secrets" will make you rich even if you are a lazy ass and will never apply them and you're looking for something for nothing.

Alright, now wasn't that a pleasant experience. I feel better already... :)

Re: Is Twitter Vulnerable to Marketer Attack?

Shawn Casey — Fri, 20 Jun 2008 00:30:05 -0000

Geez. Y'all are pretty harsh on the poor white boy.

If I didn't know John personally (by way of full disclosure - I have known him for many years), I'd think he was the anti-christ or, at the very least, the latest reincarnation of Sanford Wallace.

I think the key points have been beaten to death, but I'm amazed at the level of ignorance revealed by the original post.

Affiliate Marketing does not equal MLM Marketing. Neither are inherently sleazy as you suggest. Some people might resort to less than white hat tactics. Of course, some people just write whatever they want on a blog as if it's a fact.

I'm sure the boys at Amazon - who were the early leaders in affiliate marketing, would take exception to their affiliate base being dissed by these sleazy comments. As would many of the other billion dollar companies that actively use affiliate marketing. I'm equally certain that the affiliates would be quite disconcerted to find that they get zero respect and are looked upon like a swarm of locusts about to damage your carefully preserved Internet crop.

If it was not for the obvious fact that these blog pages are loaded with ads, I'd think you were against people making money from an Internet business. But you seem to be all for that as long as it's you who is making the money with your own hyperbole.

Now if we could just get some kind of guarantee from you that we could get our money back when we find out your advice is inaccurate. Because that is the level of responsibility we expect from quality organizations - to be put their money where their mouths are.

Shawn

Re: Is Twitter Vulnerable to Marketer Attack?

Kelly Mullaney — Thu, 19 Jun 2008 23:53:18 -0000

Well, for an 'experienced' blogger you really dropped the ball here. So this nasty post is because BlogRush didn't work for you? And it was a free tool! Talk about ungratefulness!
You didn't even do a bit of research about John, who by the way is a very generous guy with his excellent knowledge and experience in internet marketing.
The worst part is that you don't even seem to grasp the nature of twitter. It is not telemarketing, you know? People can really tune out what they don't like.
I am very disappointed. For me it really takes credibility from your other posts. Bad move.

Re: Is Twitter Vulnerable to Marketer Attack?

John Reese — Thu, 19 Jun 2008 23:34:16 -0000

BAHAHAHAHAHAA. I have to laugh at Alex Frost's comment.

I'm a God of mind control. Wow. I learn something new everyday.

I'm actually not that good at persuasion. In fact, I'll just go ahead and tell you my secret as to how I get all of these people so passionately defending me...

They apply what I teach them and it works.

You don't have diehard, loyal customers for YEARS by not giving them anything of substance. Do you think people are that stupid?

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Dr.Mani — Thu, 19 Jun 2008 23:23:57 -0000

Internet marketing is NOT a 'business'.

And 'Internet marketers' are NOT always business-people.

Both John Reese and Mashable are saying the same thing - in a different way.

It's the tale of the blind men describing an elephant... the elephant in this case being the semantic confusion over the ambigious and ill-defined term "Internet marketer".

Nor are Internet marketers 'identical' in many respects (albeit sharing a vague commonality of trying to leverage the Internet to sell things or make money, they in fact have very little similarity!)

Coloring them as a group with a broad brush will offend some, tickle others, and pass the rest harmlessly by :)

As an aside, John Counsel recently taught me this nice distinction.

Marketing is identifying a need and filling it.

Selling is making people want what they need... because otherwise they won't buy it.

All success
Dr.Mani

Oh, Twitter!
http://www.MoneyPowerWisdom...

Re: Is Twitter Vulnerable to Marketer Attack?

Alex Frost — Thu, 19 Jun 2008 22:08:16 -0000

John Reese uses extremely powerful direct response marketing tactics to get inside the minds of people from all walks of life. It doesn't matter if they're well educated or poorly educated. John uses highly persuasive copywriting techniques to essentially make people want to give him money.

Want to know something funny Mark? Your blog post has allowed John the opportunity to better solidify his mind controlling grip over his followers. Like programmed robots, they're coming out of the woodwork to "support" their leader. To many, John Reese is God. Yes, God, as is the creator of Heaven and Earth. People look up to John as a messianic figure who will help them turn their lives around and make millions.

For a long time I was a follower. I was a believer. I was completely convinced that John Reese's "secrets" would make me rich. Had you made this blog post when I was in that frame of mind, I would have dogged you forever because you had insulted my God.

Mark, there's a fortune to be made by EMULATING the tactics employed by people like John Reese. There's a sea of people out there with their umbilical chords in their hands looking for a place to plug them into... (Dan Kennedy, another master psychological manipulator said this.) John Reese will only get richer and richer. Your efforts to discredit him, if you're not careful, can result in something akin to a "Fatwa" being issued by Reese to his followers, and you'll have to go into hiding. :-) lol Seriously, this guy is frighteningly effective and controlling minds. You've been warned! LOL

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Srinivasan — Thu, 19 Jun 2008 21:40:44 -0000

What's wrong with marketing on twitter. What if we use the web 2 for marketing our wares. Haven't we the 21st century intellectuals come this far because we marketed stuff all over from the streets to the television to even schools. Let the people decide what they want and where they want to buy it. You like to buy do so or get on with whatever spiel you want to spew out in the guise of socialising on the web 2. Its a free world afterall and internet has grown because of this freedom from controls.

There would be enough takers for everyone.

Re: Is Twitter Vulnerable to Marketer Attack?

Caro — Thu, 19 Jun 2008 20:42:57 -0000

Hi Mark,

I've read through your post, and also the responses.

I have two genuine questions:

a) What was the purpose of your initial post?

b) What was your desired outcome?

I'd really like to receive those answers. As at the moment it is not clear to me, and instead I interpret it as fear based and a personal attack on someone - which may not have been your intent?

Caro :-)

Re: Is Twitter Vulnerable to Marketer Attack?

Phil K — Thu, 19 Jun 2008 19:47:35 -0000

JD - Can you provide a source to this video to back up your claims?? I don't believe you can. And even if you can, it's not the REAL John Reese. He has never sold a sex related product in his entire life. Do your research before you make defamatory statements about someone's professional life. Pendulums swing both ways. Remember that.