I mean really, Opera belongs there. It's a. the father of all modern browsers and b. the most innovative of the lot.
Pete Walker
· 4 months ago
People keep commenting on the fact that old payroll systems and CRMs rely on IE6. But, IE7 was released in 2006, almost 3 years ago. How is 3 years not enough time for the companies responsible for these systems to have not upgraded them to run in IE7?
Reliance on legacy software is not an excuse, particularly when the rest of the web has had no problems in upgrading their own applications. Perhaps we should be putting pressure on these companies to upgrade their software? I mean, who *are* the creators of these legacy systems?
dangrossman
· 4 months ago
Are you going to fund the hiring of developers in a recession to rewrite legacy apps? Can you make a reasonable argument that a company should hire those developers to do that work, in the name of replacing IE6, when it will involve cutting costs (firing people) in other parts of the business?
Ron
· 4 months ago
Doesn't matter. You need to tell your IT dept that the budget needs to be put in place to either A) phase out IE6 or B) allow staff to use a second more modern browser side-by-side. Otherwise employees will have to deal with non-functioning or reduced-function external websites. This is the reality of the situation.
Nobody outside your company is going to cave to your poor platform choices anymore. The status quo is no longer a viable option.
dangrossman
· 4 months ago
Companies that want decision makers at work to open their corporate wallets are happy to hold the status quo.
YouTube isn't going to lose "the big contract" by ignoring IE6 bugs.
Ron
· 4 months ago
So be it. Eventually the decision makers will try to access YouTube and notice that their browser doesn't work!
Wallets will open when the CEO realizes he / she can't do basic web tasks at the office.
Oh for anybody interested in the IT vs IE6 battle check out this website: http://hey-it.com/
Bob
· 4 months ago
Opera's not on the list? Thats BS. If you install the firefox plugins to do half the stuff that Opera does by default it becomes unstable and unuseable. Not to mention the fact that they've invented a great number of features firefox and other browsers use today (tabs, for example).
erna
· 4 months ago
Isn't Opera a modern web browser? It's really annoying.
Dancefloor Mayhem
· 4 months ago
Yeah, I am stuck on IE6 during the day @ the day job. Twitter doesn't function properly and neither does SoundCloud - a music site I use a lot.
At home I use both Chrome and the latest version of Mozilla.
Schism Rock
· 4 months ago
I wasn't aware there were Twitter issues with IE6. After Oprah promoted it, I wonder how many of her viewers with IE6 signed up?
Greg
· 4 months ago
Use Firefox portable at work, you can save it all in one folder without installing anything.
Rob Miracle
· 4 months ago
I know several companies who are dropping support for IE6 completely, telling their programmers that you no longer need to test in IE6. I was planning to do something like this on my site, but this will hopefully save me a lot of code.
Please use the hashtag #dieIE6die when dealing with these types of tweets. Help spread the message.
Joe Levi
· 4 months ago
Sounds similar to what I've done, single line of code to point out that MSIE6 is out of date: http://bit.ly/kill-msie6
Mark
· 4 months ago
The corporate desktop has been mentioned here where users have IE6 forced on them and are in no position to change their installed browser but sometimes the reasons for not upgrading the browser are valid.
There are still a large number of browser based business applications out there that rely on the Microsoft JVM to function.
There are a number of browser based business application out there that were written for IE5.5 and just about get by on IE6. IE7 however breaks them.
So in these cases, it's not just a case of upgrading the users desktop but potentially upgrading entire payroll or CRM systems and to be fair, that's a huge investment. Sticking with IE6 suddenly makes a lot of sense.
Ron
· 4 months ago
In these cases the solution would seem to be have the staff use IE6 for only the company applications and let them use Firefox for everything else.
Sticking with IE6 only makes sense within your IT dept. I don't work for your company, why should I have to dance around your legacy software issues?
David N.
· 4 months ago
The is nothing sudden about it. These arguments should have lost weight a long, long time ago. If they want to stick with legacy equipment and code the rest of the world should not be expected to support them...
TheGT
· 4 months ago
Even if there are legacy systems that require IE6, it doesn't stop companies from installing Firefox for other web uses and locking IE6 down to the Intranet where I can't do any harm to the outside world.
EBGreen
· 4 months ago
While I really would prefer to be off IE6 at work, who is going to provide the literally millions of dollars to re-write the perfectly functional internal web apps that require it? Or decide which employees to fire to free up the funds for the re-write and still remain profitable?
As for installing dual browsers, again who is going to pay for the extra support folks? *Any time* that you introduce new applications into the environment, support costs go up.
How does my corporation using IE6 cause problems for the rest of the world?
Mike
· 4 months ago
I develop web content for large financial and media companies. Most of these companies are under the impression that x% of their users (usually 20% or more) still use IE6. That in mind, it's always a requirement that the content we provide functions in IE6, which with anything non-trivial, usually wastes anywhere from a day to a week. Were your company not using IE6, your users surfing the web wouldn't add to these analytics, and our clients would be happy to let us simply write standards compliant html/css and call it a day. Every company that's stuck on IE6 can spend a bit of money to make sure that their stuff works on standards compliant browsers, or every web developer in the world can waste even more time and money trying to make content compatible with a program that's long past it's prime.
Ron
· 4 months ago
So be it. You can stick with IE6 and justify it any way you want.
I think the point here is that we in the web development world are no longer going to support it, whether you upgrade or not. Its not our fault your company made the decision back in 2000 to build your software with IE as the frontend.
This is the internet. Stuff changes. Deal with it.
ascore
· 3 months ago
You are a moron. Go kill yourself
Amy
· 4 months ago
It's pretty dumb and sexist to label "mothers [and] grandmothers" as the people who are ignorant of technology, and to separate mothers and grandmothers from the corporate world. Mothers and grandmothers don't work? Males don't use IE6?
Ben Parr
· 4 months ago
He was just giving examples, I don't think he was trying to be sexist in any way.
Chris
· 4 months ago
No, what's dumb is to blatantly label the author as sexist without having any facts on the matter. If you'd go look up IE6 marketshare, you'd see it's mainly that demographic along with the corporate users that are still using IE6.
David Rusenko
· 4 months ago
Sorry Amy, I wasn't trying to be sexist here. The reason I named mothers and grandmothers is strictly from personal experience -- mine use their computer relatively frequently, as opposed to their male counterparts.
Rolf Luehrs
· 4 months ago
Wether it is sexist or not - it is not very clever in any case. Ask e.g. Johnson & Johnson for the "Motrin Mums" (http://tinyurl.com/lqv2ch) and you'll see how web-savvy mums can be....
Stephanie
· 4 months ago
I was just going to comment on this. I know plenty of single men, fathers, grandfathers etc. who are not exactly hip to the latest tech.
Brad F.
· 4 months ago
My take on this is that Amy is part of what's wrong with the world today. Use your brain, understand it was meant as an example, and soak up the information the article presents without trying to turn it into some dramatic "us against the world" problem.
realjournalist
· 4 months ago
Sorry, but just saying "I didn't mean to offend anyone" doesn't cut it. The fact is, intentional or not, it was a very sexist comment and he deserved to be called out for it.
My mother is quite adept on her PC because she's willing to learn, while my father is useless -- because he's a stubborn old fart. I don't think that's at all uncommon.
Brad F.
· 4 months ago
What's more sexist? The person that called him out on it or the person who wrote it innocently as an example? If that's sexist, then how much of our 'great' literature is sexist?
You can't dig into everything, looking for something that may or may not be sexist, or may be able to be interpreted as sexist. There's a difference between intent and effect, and it's only because the person reading is looking for it. I never made the connection that this Amy seems to have made. Or that a lot of you have made. It's an expression used to carry a point. That's it.
Being 'politically correct' should only be taken so far. The way things are going, people won't be able to say that peaches are soft and sweet without fearing someone jumping on them about it being sexually oriented and sexist. This whole drive to make everything politically correct and as unoffensive to everyone in the world is going to destroy language and eventually thought.
Troll Hunter
· 3 months ago
Don't feed the troll!
Socal Web Developer
· 4 months ago
This is identical to 2007's "Save the Developers" campaign and product. Exact same idea, same snippet of code, and same overall purpose. They received a lot of press about it and had a huge following - translated into tons of languages. Unfortunately, they had no funding to keep the endeavor going. Glad to see someone picked it up and is running with it. Check it out at: "http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/03/25/save-the-developers-stop-using-internet-explorer-6/"
Business Talk
· 4 months ago
Yes! I was thinking of how I could tell visitors to our site that IE 6 is not support. Now I now how!
pobrecito hablador
· 4 months ago
Nice image, but... how about Opera?
willit schwertsk
· 4 months ago
True, and while we're on the top of conforming to web standards, why isn't Safari the first in the row, since it's the only browser that scores 100/100 in the acid test...
Bob
· 4 months ago
Not True. I'm using Opera and it passes Acid3 with 100/100.
vd/flt
· 4 months ago
Opera scores 100/100. Safari isn't all that really.
Evan Adnams
· 4 months ago
... what about it? :)
steve999
· 4 months ago
You should see IE7 running on my mother-in-law's 600Mhz pentium. Not a pretty sight. IE6 was bad, but ... wow. But all the developers in the world are not going to make her buy a new computer until she's good and ready... and can afford it.
rb3m
· 4 months ago
And, honestly, she shouldn't need to. Any web designer/developer worth their salt would know how to make a website render decently on any browser. Sure, she won't "enjoy" the prettiest graphics and perhaps there will be some functionality unavailable to her (ideally nothing vital) but she should at least be able to use the basic functions of the site.
This is what many proponents of "kill IE6" movements forget: accessibility has to be a given in any web design. No matter what browser, OS or device a person is using, they should get at least a usable version of the site, one that doesn't necessarily look the same.
The prevalent use of IE6 is not stopping the industry from moving forward, it´s the lack of graded web support knowledge that is. Don't blame the client, you can always explain to them the limitation of IE6 and older browsers and make them understand that a site doesn't have to look the same in all of them.
David Rusenko
· 4 months ago
I'm sorry, but I just don't buy that. I'd like to think we're "developers worth their salt" -- in fact, we maintain compatibility with IE 6/7/8, Firefox 2/3, Safari 3/4, Chrome, and partial support for Opera. That's a whole lot of browsers to test with and make compatible, especially when each can have their own particular quirks.
Now, guess which one we spend the most time testing for? You got it, IE 6. It's consistently the worst trouble maker of them all.
Even worse, IE 6's support for the modern web is extremely lacking -- so lacking, in fact, that we have a queue of features we'll be developing, all of which would add a lot to the usefulness of our application, that we can't create because of IE 6. As soon as IE 6 drops below a certain percentage of our user base, we'll be able to create and release these features, but as it is, we just can't justify creating those features when 15% of our users are still on IE 6.
So this is our first step. We'd like to continue raising awareness that IE 6 is a very outdated web browser, and strongly encourage people to migrate off of it. The web will be a better place for it.
rb3m
· 4 months ago
But that's my point exactly. Releasing those features shouldn't prevent IE6 users to use the rest of the features, those that they are using now. Ok, I understand that sometimes implementing new features means changing something else that may make old features not work the same any more, but IE6 users should still get to use some basic functionality.
Sure, they won't be able to use the modern web, but you'll find most or almost all IE6 users perfectly happy using the 2004 web while the rest of the world enjoys the 2009 web. There is no reason why 85% of your users should not enjoy the benefits of your most advanced application for the sake of the other 15%. Now, if that 15% represents 50% of the profit, well, that's something else entirely.
Encouraging them to upgrade is one thing and is all well and good. Forcing them to upgrade and laying blame on them for keeping the web from moving forward, that's something else.
Brando
· 4 months ago
I suppose you still drive a car that takes leaded gasoline then?
And the gas stations and fuel producers get to charge everybody more because they have to stock 2 kinds of gas.
Oh wait... that's stupid. And so is wasting development time on IE6 at this point. By your logic, we should all still be coding for IE3.
ME
· 4 months ago
Silly analogy. It's more like this: Would I quickly migrate to a much faster car if the speed limit were still the same in my neighborhood and the new car's steering wheel was in the center of the dashboard instead of where it normally is?
I realize that developers don't have control over the design decisions that Microsoft makes for their product (or that people are reluctant to change to other products) but some sympathy for end users - that would be your customers, BTW - would be nice.
rb3m
· 4 months ago
In a way, yes. It's more like expecting an old car to still take you from A to B. Sure, the ride will be bumpier, there's a draft coming in through the doors, you'll have to plan your gas stops to buy leaded and the ride will be longer and more uncomfortable than it would be if you had a 2009 Lexus. But the old car should still get you there (although in the web, "there" will be more like "close enough" but...)
Let's put it this way: Grandpa Johnson gets an email from his daughter with a link to photos of his grandson. He just wants to watch the photos. He doesn't care about dragging them and dropping them into his hard drive, the 3D carousel gallery, edit them or twitter them. He just wants to watch the photos. Should he upgrade his browser and computer just to do that?
Another example. Mr Johnson (no relation to above) in the purchase dept of MegaCorp needs to buy some printers. He goes to a website and, because IT hasn't upgraded he can't use the drag and drop into the shopping cart, read the real time reviews and comments, join the facebook group or chat with a representative as he could at home. Things will also take a bit longer to load because he can't use the Ajaxy stuff. However, he can search for the printers, order them and get email and phone contact info in case he needs to.
Not considering these environments would lead to lost users and sales. By using standard coding it's not such a tall order to provide a basic interface and a way to accomplish the core tasks of the site in older browsers (not only IE6, though that's the most important of the older browsers). With the advent of mobile web browsing providing that sort of accessibility has become even more important.
The new stuff is still there: transparencies, drag and drop, third-party services integration, real-time updates, etc. but without alienating people on IE6 or other old browsers which is the impression I sometimes get from this "kill IE6" movements.
Chet Woodside
· 4 months ago
Some areas of the public sector still have very high IE6 usage numbers, I'm working with one organization where the numbers are around 32%.
Marco Carag
· 4 months ago
Hence why you put a message like this up, so as to encourage people/organizations to upgrade. And why you engage all the other tactics, like providing a functional but lesser experience to IE6 users, and not promising innovation for those users after a certain period of time. This way, you're not completely dumping them by the wayside, but you are contributing to a compelling reason to upgrade.
Kevin Althaus
· 4 months ago
If you really want to get this going, it should be made into a plugin form for popular blog and CMS platforms like wordpress, drupal, joomla, and ExpressionEngine (to name a few). Make it a one-click type install and then make some trendy ("this is a modern website") badges for bloggers to put on the bottom of their blogs right next to their other badges representing platforms, technologies, and hosting.
While I agree IE6 should die, I find David's quote about "mothers, grandmothers" needing a message to tell them their browser is outdated comes off quite sexist. My mother (in her 50's) is a computer wiz (better than me). My father still can't figure out how to check email (nor does he care too). I know you meant no offense it was just a personal observation (my grandparents don't understand the internet either), but just think about it in the future :) Us ladies can be pretty tech savvy. It's mostly large corporations and government that are still using it (in my experience).
David Rusenko
· 4 months ago
Hi Jill -- although it came off wrong, that's exactly the way I intended it as well. Both my mother/grandmother use their computer much more frequently than their male counterparts!
Amanda
· 4 months ago
For companies whose payroll and other essential systems need to run on IE6, can't they just install multiple browsers? We have Firefox for normal web browsing and certain other browsers to do things like input hours, etc.
Chris Allen
· 4 months ago
I've done the same thing with my site quite some time ago, but I went one step further actually: http://www.djchrisallen.net
Down with IE6!
Kelly
· 4 months ago
I love this, however the code provided for implementation is atrocious. Divitis anyone?
kristalm
· 4 months ago
I'm rather embarrassed to say I was an IE user until 2 months ago. Switched to FF & now my only regret is that I didn't do it sooner.
Yep same old issue with legacy infrastructure keeping IE6 usage alive. Telling the user they are using a crap browser won't help anyone, when they really can't do anything about it. What we need to do is degrade it gracefully like digg and youtube are doing. Not all features will work but the core functionality should still be there.
Julian
· 4 months ago
Awesome.
Is it worth having alt tags for accessibility?
I'd strongly also recommend a layout that gives more room for other languages; English is naturally terse so a good guideline is to add 20% space -- if you lay it out based on Portuguese you're mostly there I think.
Guest
· 4 months ago
slac
· 4 months ago
Are you retarded or something? Why are you not being sarcastic about Google and Mozilla? They joined the complaint as well.
Guest
· 4 months ago
Justin Blough
· 4 months ago
I am glad the industry is standing up. I have implemented my own script in my business website for years but it is more themed at deterring people from using IE at all and get them to use firefox. I agree in general the objective of at least getting people to update out of IE6 if they want to stay with IE will render better results. You can see my old tactic here if you have IE6 http://www.mindwiremedia.net/blog/
Muhammad Ali
· 4 months ago
When would we hear this "Kill IE"??? :P
Paul
· 4 months ago
Yeah, sorry but my mom and grandmother would have no idea how to install a new browser. As soon as the install bar popped up they'd just unplug to computer and call me to say that they have a virus.
Brando
· 4 months ago
So upgrade it for them now. Why haven't you already?
Aury
· 4 months ago
Feel free to add us to your list. Needing to worry about IE6 adds at least 25% on to our development time.
elvi_b
· 4 months ago
As a web developer, i wholeheartedly agree with the subject of this post. As a woman, i laugh mockingly to David Rusenko's comment "users that are just unaware they are using an old browser (mothers, grandmothers)..." what a freakin' sexist remark - unbelievable - coming from a 'smart guy'! David - get a grip! Social scale and economy doesn't discriminate - and it's NOT a choice either.
David Rusenko
· 4 months ago
Hi Elvi -- as I've said above (and will keep repeating), it was not my intention to single out women as technologically illerate, rather the opposite: both my mother/grandmother use their computer much more frequently than their male counterparts, which is, in my mind, why they'd be a target segment.
Rick
· 4 months ago
This is all a huge step in the right direction, yet i see no reference to Bring Down IE6, what's up with that?
Probably because the logo looks like crap, and the site isn't exactly useful.
Daniel
· 4 months ago
This isn't going to work - the people still using IE6 have no choice - only about 11% of ie6 users actually choose to use it. Digg did a big study on this. Telling users they have to upgrade is just cruel because they simply do not have permission or access to do so.
markowen58
· 4 months ago
true, but its when they start beating the door down on the CIO's office is when we'll finally kill IE6.
I know we as a company are getting rid of IE6 when Windows 7 comes in and moving to IE8. not ideal mind but progress.The prep for this is kick starting a number of programs already underway to move away from IE6 based web apps. This campaign should also help highlight to companies its time to invest in upgrading their webapps to a more modern setup not crippled by IE6's problems.
Jan Andreas Knudsen
· 4 months ago
"We think we can have a huge impact: For those users that are just unaware they are using an old browser (mothers, grandmothers), we’d like to encourage them to upgrade and have a better experience using our sites."
People who know how to upgrade don't use IE6.
sbashir
· 4 months ago
There are some important features of IE6 that other browsers don't have:
1. In full screen mode (F11), moving the cursor to the top edge of the screen drops down the menu bar, search bar, toolbars, minimize and close window buttons, etc.
2. In full screen mode (F11), moving the cursor to the bottom edge of the screen brings up the task bar, to switch to other applications, go to the Start Menu, see the status of running applications, time, battery power, etc.
3. Some websites don't let you right click and save images. In IE6 these images can be found in the Temporary Internet Files folder. Firefox caches pages in some unrecognizable format so the images cannot be recovered.
When a website tells me I don't have an updated browser, I usually don't go back. I have the latest Firefox, Opera and Chrome on my computer but don't use them.
DNSS
· 4 months ago
1 & 2 : works perfectly fine in Firefox, except that the menu bar doesn't come fort by default.
3 : Just disable right click blocking in your browser of choice, which is much simpler.
In other words, you utterly fail at browsers.
John Smith
· 4 months ago
"You are using an outdated browser" assumes that everyone is using a device that can easily have its browser upgraded, unlike many mobile devices (I'm thinking of a PocketPC device that I use quite a lot specifically)
Sean Nieuwoudt
· 4 months ago
It's great to see some motion against IE6. If people keep on inventing hacks and optimizing sites to run on ie6 then it will never go away.
I don't know if there could still be anyone unaware of how lousy IE6 is....
My main problem are big corporate companies, like banks or other extremely large companies in switzerland with very strict policies about softwares, who refuse anything else than IE6 for.... SECURITY REASONS !!! this is the same problem in official governement's offices.
It is so frustrating to hear such things, visiting their offices, with brand new hardware, fancy glossy 22'' widescreen monitors, and nothing but IE6 for browsing.....
In my web development contracts, I ask an extra 40% to any budget if IE6 support is required to protect myself.
Bob
· 4 months ago
Opera's not on the list? Thats BS. If you install the firefox plugins to do half the stuff that Opera does by default it becomes unstable and unuseable. Not to mention the fact that they've invented a great number of features firefox and other browsers use today (tabs, for example).
Christian
· 4 months ago
No Opera but Safari? Strange people. I think I won't embed this in my Opera blog. ^^ But basically a good idea.
Christian
· 4 months ago
No Opera but Safari? Strange people. I think I won't embed this in my Opera blog. ^^ But basically a good idea.
Cathie Scally
· 4 months ago
the problem I have come accross is not convincing 'mothers,grandmothers and their male counterparts lol of the existance of new technoligy but convincing them to use it!!!!
webdesign nürnberg
· 4 months ago
I would be happy if this campaign helps to bring the users away from IE6...to: FF - which is placed first with reason at the pic;-)
As from my stats there are around 16% of IE6 users. I have the feeling that a lot of those visits are from web developers (I often visit websites with IE6 to test proper rendering)
It's good to see more and more articles on the subject of killing IE6. I already have a similar notification in place on my website. These tactics should hopefully convert some home users but stubborn IT departments are going to be a much bigger challenge.
FATTY
· 4 months ago
SCREW YOU ALL I LIKE IE6 BETTER
AND WEBDESIGNER CAN SUCK MY COCK
dasda
· 4 months ago
Internet Explorer 8 listed, but no Opera? Jesus Christ....
Ian Wood
· 4 months ago
While we would all like to see the back of IE6 I think we should just take stock of where we are going with this. Those good developers using the progressive enhancement approach had the answer long ago - use the latest technology available and give the browsers that don't support some form of support so that users can obtain information.
Trying to kill IE6 - why not try to kill Lynx? Why not try to kill any browser that doesn't support all the technology we'd LIKE to utilise in our work? We should be looking to simply down grade support for IE6 not actively seek to remove it from the face of the Earth.
I don't care if IE doesn't have rounded corners or rgba. I don't even care if my 24bit pngs have that ugly blue instead of alpha transparency - its the users choice which browser they use [or forced in business but that is not the developers fault] the less work we do to 'fix' these things so it all looks nice in IE6 the better - we can focus on good development and eventually the consumer will upgrade when they can no longer stand the experience.
Just my humble opinion :P
PlusMinusIst
· 4 months ago
Love that, our website looks so ugly in IE6 that the designers put a IE6-STOP page on it.
Volksbank
· 4 months ago
Ausgezeichnete Initiative!
alexis
· 4 months ago
I would remove IE8 from that banner, just for the sake of having dealt with IE6. :p
Alice
· 4 months ago
In Germany YouTube has been showing a similar message for weeks now. Hopefully someone will take notice.
Ian Wood
· 4 months ago
While we would all like to see the back of IE6 I think we should just take stock of where we are going with this. Those good developers using the progressive enhancement approach had the answer long ago - use the latest technology available and give the browsers that don't support some form of support so that users can obtain information.
Trying to kill IE6 - why not try to kill Lynx? Why not try to kill any browser that doesn't support all the technology we'd LIKE to utilise in our work? We should be looking to simply down grade support for IE6 not actively seek to remove it from the face of the Earth.
I don't care if IE doesn't have rounded corners or rgba. I don't even care if my 24bit pngs have that ugly blue instead of alpha transparency - its the users choice which browser they use [or forced in business but that is not the developers fault] the less work we do to 'fix' these things so it all looks nice in IE6 the better - we can focus on good development and eventually the consumer will upgrade when they can no longer stand the experience.
As most people here seem to realise, it's not always the visitor's fault that they are using IE6 - it is not their choice to be "crippled" by an awful, outdated browser. I hate it too and wish it would go the way of the dodo. However, it's clear that that isn't going to happen any time soon. Providing at least basic accessibility for these visitors seems the right way to go, even if it isn't the best way - we should try to remember that the web is about people and community, not just about designs. If you can detect the browser and display a message then you can also disable css and features that won't work in IE6, just like you can enable advanced css and features that only work in certain browsers - graceful degradation and progressive enhancement. I notice that the startups mentioned don't appear to be the sort of companies that rely on retail sales - a potential buyer might be put off using or revisiting a site if constantly being reminded of something that they already know, and this would result in a loss of sales! The banner asking a visitor to upgrade would soon become very annoying to the people that it targets and is almost akin to constantly telling a cripple that they can't walk - image how that would feel!? Ultimately, in the case of the corporations, it is the IT departments that need to be told to upgrade, not the users, and I'm sure that most of them are aware of it, but that it is simply not practical for them. As far as home-based IE6 users are concerned - with all of the campaigns for upgrading that there have been you would think they would have upgraded by now, so do we think they will click on this new banner to upgrade? Finally, I feel that more effort should go in to coping with the issue than in to moaning about it.
stelt
· 4 months ago
add Opera to the options it's great, especially in its support for open standards
Ivor Marlow
· 4 months ago
I assume these websites are going after individuals who could update but don't, rather than employees at companies, who have no choice.
Not to subtract from the sites named above but unless my idea of the zeitgeist is totally wrong, those websites have absolutely nothing to offer the sort of person who would still be using IE6 out of choice/ignorance.
Its an ABSURD. How come some sun of a bitch says that because we are underdeveloped country we do not upgrade ours programs? Or we don´t know English (yeah, I read in English)? IDIOTS. The US has the biggest number of computer and internet users, so ITS YOUR FAULT the the IE6 is still in use!
Fernando
· 4 months ago
Hi, i am with you man, all the way.
I have created a poll for IE 6 No more, so please spread it around so we can get some 100.000 votes on it.
I am one of the "dodos", I would prefer to use IE6 but my computer upgraded automatically to 7 and won't let me uninstall, IE8 is even worse at least I was able to block it from auto-installing. SOME of us prefer simplicity over "all the bells and whistles" - and I am not computer illiterate, I have built 3 machines from scratch, I simply do not like the newer versions. I personally wish ALL websites had an option to turn OFF things like animation and excessive graphics, if I could I would have a "text-only" option embedded in every website so I don't have to deal with all the "pretty garbage" - I want to READ FACTS not see pretty pictures and hear someone's opinions.
Joan_W
· 4 months ago
The main reason that so many people are hanging onto IE6 is because they have no choice. Think of all the PCs donated to developing countries and even poor schools in North America that cannot upgrade to a modern browser. I'm looking for a job using an 8 year old computer running on Windows ME with 128Mb RAM. If you make a significant portion of the web inaccessible to me, please send me a new computer first. A netbook would do nicely!
Mohan
· 4 months ago
uhoh, Opera is going bitch now, they are missing from the banner!
Joshua Davis
· 4 months ago
A majority of IE6 users, I feel, are in the financial sector. Windows XP Pro wasn't stable enough to upgrade users from Windows 2000. Therefore, again, there are a lot financial institutions still using Windows 2000 which doesn't require users to upgrade browsers.
At least Vista was built on the NT platform. However, it got a lot of bad publicity. Perhaps, by the time Windows 7 is released, people will have their confidence restored and upgrade. Who knows?!?!
Stefan
· 4 months ago
So, when does IE6 really vanish? I mean, Opera has been below 5% market share for a long time as Safari also has. Nobody of us ever thought we shouldn't keep those browsers in mind.
Do you see any clear border where we stop thinking about IE6? I personally don't think so and will give it a ten years of support. Everything else is grossly negligent opposite your customers and their visitors.
תאורה
· 4 months ago
Its about time.
Rafael
· 4 months ago
Opera is missing, that campaign sucks anyway. ;x
Andreas L
· 4 months ago
I've used pretty much the same IE-warning on my (previous) website for years and since I went live with my new one I've simply served all versions of IE with Andy Clarke's "Universal IE6 CSS" and no JS.
Since everything is built using progressive enhancement IE users will still be able to do everything users with real browser can.
I still encourage IE users to upgrade though.
This way I never have to worry about IE but still know the site will be accessible to them.
Maxim Nikolenko
· 4 months ago
I would replace IE8 with Opera
Eric__Miller
· 4 months ago
Adding the script now.
beardswrath
· 4 months ago
I use firefox myself, but i'm tech support for an ISP... and I prefer our customers keeping ie6. in my experience ie6 has less issues than ie7 and 8. (8 being the worst with compatibility) those browsers are fancier but in my experience have way more issues.
rhonda
· 4 months ago
HA HA! Telling my major corporate employer that I am annoyed by messages like that when I use IE6 to surf beyond the firewall. Yeah, that's gonna work just fine. HA HA HA HA!
ME
· 4 months ago
Actually, I suspect a lot of users are using IE6 because it worked (until content providers started discontinuing support for the browser) and because it had the old, familiar pre-IE7 interface.
One definition of a tech geek is someone who accepts tech changes without reservation because they have a new toy to play with. Normal end users like consistency though and will often put off new, even free technology changes that involve significant change in their user habits.
When tech geeks and software designers start taking this to heart, they'll probably be surprised at how quickly people actually adopt new software. After all, did widespread change from IE5 to 6, or 4 to 5 take so long to happen? I don't remember such resistance.
The hiding of the menu bar, the addition of tabbed browsing (as a default), and most egrigiously moving key command buttons all put many users off IE7. Something like an IE6 interfact option would have solved the problem in a lot less time and with a lot less self-righteous blather than the solution proposed above.
The key is actually communicating and working with end users on a regular basis. I sometimes wonder if software companies ever bother to seriously do this. Judging from Microsoft's recent product changes, the answer appears to be a painful, "no."
ME
· 4 months ago
Oh, and I hate tabbed browsing. Most useless web innovation since blinking HTML code, as far as I'm concerned. I just needed to vent.
patrick
· 4 months ago
I know this isn't necessarily a business friendly way of applying "pressure" but perhaps the best way to force IE6 users to change is to deny them service without upgrade whenever business constraints allow. No one is going to care about something that is someone else's problem - read The Hitchhiker's Guide! :o)
patrick
· 4 months ago
I know this isn't necessarily a business friendly way of applying "pressure" but perhaps the best way to force IE6 users to change is to deny them service without upgrade whenever business constraints allow. No one is going to care about something that is someone else's problem - read The Hitchhiker's Guide! :o)
Ray
· 4 months ago
I'd like to throw my comment in real quick. When I design a site, I shoot for top of the line and politely tell people, "This site works best on the latest browsers..." but any good business man should know that the customer drives the trends, not the business. What right do we have to attempt to force our customers to a new internet browser that they might not be comfortable with, when a few simple lines of code can re-direct users with out of date browsers to a simpler page? This sounds like people losing their drive to open up there services to people. Maybe to save time, or money (though the money thing I don't understand as webspace isn't exactly at a premium these days.) I don't know but it comes off as elitist. It sounds like "We will only design for the best, and forget the rest of you!" Again I don't understand why we can't shoot high but have a safety net.
What the heck, did they just make up an Opera logo? lol
Ewww
· 4 months ago
I threw up in my mouth a little when I saw the HTML code for that. Anyone else?
Karen
· 4 months ago
I work for ExxonMobil, and trust me, they won't care. They still use DOS programs for most of their applications, too.
land
· 4 months ago
Is Opera outdated???
Thomas Ward
· 4 months ago
While I may be surprised at the fact that there are still people who use IE6 (considering both IE7 and IE8 comes as updates in Windows Update), I do agree that the software must finally be put to rest. I've implemented this code on my Web site, http://www.mindofward.com, and will be spreading the word about this initiative.
SadistiX
· 4 months ago
Microsoft should just force everyone to upgrade. IE6 is so old that it's a security risk.
d3bruts1d
· 4 months ago
IE6 was a security risk when it was new. :p
Steve
· 4 months ago
No Opera? It has a bigger market share than Google Chrome and is the biggest pusher of web standards, which is the point of the campaign. A little mean to leave them off, don't you think?
chaals
· 4 months ago
No mention of Opera? As an employee I naturally have a bias, but I still find it a bit odd...
Sean
· 4 months ago
I run various websites for a small federal government agency, and our IE6 usage is at around 18% for the month of July.
While I would love to jump on this bandwagon, I don't think I can justify bailing on nearly a fifth of my users.
Philip
· 4 months ago
It seems that around 50% of B2B is still being done through IE 6.0, this is a bit upsetting since the businesses delivering information and services to the business community feels they must support IE 6.0 or risk loosing their customers to their competitors. How do we encourage the business community to change, it's tough since they realize it could cost $100,000 of dollars to change an entire organization to a newer browser.
Zero
· 4 months ago
No Opera Love on that banner? How sad.
Though, IE6's death has been long overdue.
Ronald
· 4 months ago
WTF?! Why don't they offer a link to Opera?
Matt Brosseau
· 4 months ago
This is beautiful, I could almost cry from happiness at the long overdue death of IE6
Plan to Eat
· 4 months ago
We decided to dump IE6 a few months ago. We were spending at least half our time trying to make IE6 happy. I'm just hoping for the "Internet Explorer 7 must die" campaign to start soon!
Conveniently Misplaced
· 4 months ago
Amen!!!
Mark
· 4 months ago
I work as an in-house developer for a large corporation. I'm stuck with IE6, like it or not. I should embed ie6nomore's code snippet on the front page of their Intranet. *snicker*
kelly
· 4 months ago
I would like everyone to stop using IE6 as much as the next person. But I'm afraid this message will remind people of scam advertisements and may just ignore it.
kelly
· 4 months ago
I would like everyone to stop using IE6 as much as the next person. But I'm afraid this message will remind people of scam advertisements and may just ignore it.
kl
· 4 months ago
No Opera? :(
lawrencejd
· 4 months ago
Why is it that so many open sourcer's think that anything Microsoft must be bad. They need to realize that Microsoft made PC user affordable. One must remember that the best form of flattery is to mimic. Microsoft has produced a vast number of products and the majority of them are often simulated in look and feel by others. I'm not saying IE 6.0 is great, it does have its flaws; however, if you review your web stats you'll still see that the majority of your stats on browsers still show IE 6.0 and 7.0 and 8.0 now as the dominant browser being used. To just think that IE 6.0 or later will go away is silly and the majority of PC's still operate on Windows and the IE browsers. Apple, Linux, and other operating systems have a very small percentage of the install base and are not really candidates for the majority of computer users. Having over 20 years of experience in the computer industry and software development arena, it is always the techno geeks that have nothing better to do than blog, blog, blog, and write useless verbage that think Microsoft products are simply garbage. You should spend more of your time thanking them for making your life as it is possible as without their research and forethought you'd still be in the command prompt era of computing and having to access systems owned by large corporations and government agencies as no one would be able to afford the luxury of a computer for personal use.
Sincerely,
James D. Lawrence
Dan Atkinson
· 4 months ago
I think you should check if the OS to determine whether IE8 is possible (eg Win 2K, which is what a lot of businesses run on), and then only display the browsers that are compatible with that OS version.
Not too sure on this argument, I remember using Firefox 3 on a friends old laptop, which had a PIII 600mhz processor and 128mb of ram and Firefox crawled along like a snail, Chrome was not that good too and Safari was almost unusable, there are people all over the world who would struggle to run these newer browsers on their machines, so IE6 remains the best option for them, its either that or no internet. I use Firefox 3.5 all day and I love it, Chrome and Opera are pretty great, but I still don't like Safari on Windows
Ryan
· 4 months ago
GREAT IDEA! EXCEPT... Is it possible to not include the IE8 icon, including any IE versions forthcoming?
THANKS!
Ryan
· 4 months ago
GREAT IDEA! EXCEPT... Is it possible to not include the IE8 icon, including any IE versions forthcoming?
THANKS!
G. Liu
· 4 months ago
Hey, thanks for the link to the webpage! I've been looking for one of those for a while...
Ben Bibik
· 4 months ago
you certainly getting diggs, because on this particular subject line it is easy to do so. But its the same old story that gets recycled over and over again here and there.
realjournalist
· 4 months ago
I went to a site that displayed the annoying message you show. But I was in fact using IE7 (work computer). If this code can't correctly detect the browser being used it will backfire: All it did was piss me off.
that's true.. ie6 it's a nightmare for web designers.. and the real problem is that people still use it..
Chuck
· 4 months ago
It's definitely a challenge - but one that needs to be addressed. Fast forward a few years and it will be the same issue just another browser version that's causing problems that can impede innovation. I think the key is to make sure that you are doing things like this and communicating to (through pop-up warning or other communication mediums) that support for a certain browser version is ending or no longer supported in a future time frame. Then make easy for them, by pointing them where to go to get a supported version.
Definitely support the movement - Good luck to us all!
Shawn
· 4 months ago
May want to update your "outdated" script to include konqueror and opera, these are both modern browsers despite not being mainstream.
Allan
· 4 months ago
OK. You don't like IE6. It's cramping your style, or rather the styles of your webpages. So?
Why should anyone be forced to undergo the risks and difficulties of changing their software for your artist (or in many case financial) convenience? "If it works, don't fix it" is one of the standard axioms of software development, so why should you, a software user, tell me, or anyone else, to "fix" what is a piece of software that is working?
If you want to "imoprove" your site, go ahead. I won't stop you. But don't assume that I MUST then change my software for your convenience. Frankly, judging from some of the "improvements" I've seen to websites, I would like a means of seeing the "old" site (Mail dot com please note!)
garmahis
· 4 months ago
Actually I don't understand why they put a new site promoting ie6 upgrade while there's already at least 7 good alternatives Plus most of the sites which claimed on ie6nomore to join campaign, perfectly work with IE6 without any warning.
garmahis
· 4 months ago
that's funny but most projects which logo are featured on http://www.ie6nomore.com are not using its script.
Russell
· 4 months ago
since no one else is going to say it "where is opera?" this must be a sexist article. lol.... let me let you in on a secret, NOBODY CARES!!!!!
Dan Citriniti
· 4 months ago
Ugh, don't "upgrade" to an Apple application on a non-Macintosh computer. iTunes on Windows kills your RAM and also does some other very spyware-esque things. Safari isn't so bad, but I think even Opera is a better choice.
chrisedmo
· 4 months ago
Good about time, i think its been supported for long enough. Really there is no excuse, there has been enough warning and i know of no other industry that has tolerated such archaic behaviour.
cabri
· 4 months ago
Bah! My idiot employer just two years ago bought into a major program that currently only works with IE6. And we haven't even finished the roll-out yet! Luckily someone pointed me to PortableApps and now I only have to use IE6 with work-related stuff.
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Reliance on legacy software is not an excuse, particularly when the rest of the web has had no problems in upgrading their own applications. Perhaps we should be putting pressure on these companies to upgrade their software? I mean, who *are* the creators of these legacy systems?
Nobody outside your company is going to cave to your poor platform choices anymore. The status quo is no longer a viable option.
YouTube isn't going to lose "the big contract" by ignoring IE6 bugs.
Wallets will open when the CEO realizes he / she can't do basic web tasks at the office.
Oh for anybody interested in the IT vs IE6 battle check out this website: http://hey-it.com/
At home I use both Chrome and the latest version of Mozilla.
Please use the hashtag #dieIE6die when dealing with these types of tweets. Help spread the message.
There are still a large number of browser based business applications out there that rely on the Microsoft JVM to function.
There are a number of browser based business application out there that were written for IE5.5 and just about get by on IE6. IE7 however breaks them.
So in these cases, it's not just a case of upgrading the users desktop but potentially upgrading entire payroll or CRM systems and to be fair, that's a huge investment. Sticking with IE6 suddenly makes a lot of sense.
Sticking with IE6 only makes sense within your IT dept. I don't work for your company, why should I have to dance around your legacy software issues?
As for installing dual browsers, again who is going to pay for the extra support folks? *Any time* that you introduce new applications into the environment, support costs go up.
How does my corporation using IE6 cause problems for the rest of the world?
I think the point here is that we in the web development world are no longer going to support it, whether you upgrade or not. Its not our fault your company made the decision back in 2000 to build your software with IE as the frontend.
This is the internet. Stuff changes. Deal with it.
My mother is quite adept on her PC because she's willing to learn, while my father is useless -- because he's a stubborn old fart. I don't think that's at all uncommon.
You can't dig into everything, looking for something that may or may not be sexist, or may be able to be interpreted as sexist. There's a difference between intent and effect, and it's only because the person reading is looking for it. I never made the connection that this Amy seems to have made. Or that a lot of you have made. It's an expression used to carry a point. That's it.
Being 'politically correct' should only be taken so far. The way things are going, people won't be able to say that peaches are soft and sweet without fearing someone jumping on them about it being sexually oriented and sexist. This whole drive to make everything politically correct and as unoffensive to everyone in the world is going to destroy language and eventually thought.
Safari isn't all that really.
This is what many proponents of "kill IE6" movements forget: accessibility has to be a given in any web design. No matter what browser, OS or device a person is using, they should get at least a usable version of the site, one that doesn't necessarily look the same.
The prevalent use of IE6 is not stopping the industry from moving forward, it´s the lack of graded web support knowledge that is. Don't blame the client, you can always explain to them the limitation of IE6 and older browsers and make them understand that a site doesn't have to look the same in all of them.
Now, guess which one we spend the most time testing for? You got it, IE 6. It's consistently the worst trouble maker of them all.
Even worse, IE 6's support for the modern web is extremely lacking -- so lacking, in fact, that we have a queue of features we'll be developing, all of which would add a lot to the usefulness of our application, that we can't create because of IE 6. As soon as IE 6 drops below a certain percentage of our user base, we'll be able to create and release these features, but as it is, we just can't justify creating those features when 15% of our users are still on IE 6.
So this is our first step. We'd like to continue raising awareness that IE 6 is a very outdated web browser, and strongly encourage people to migrate off of it. The web will be a better place for it.
Sure, they won't be able to use the modern web, but you'll find most or almost all IE6 users perfectly happy using the 2004 web while the rest of the world enjoys the 2009 web. There is no reason why 85% of your users should not enjoy the benefits of your most advanced application for the sake of the other 15%. Now, if that 15% represents 50% of the profit, well, that's something else entirely.
Encouraging them to upgrade is one thing and is all well and good. Forcing them to upgrade and laying blame on them for keeping the web from moving forward, that's something else.
And the gas stations and fuel producers get to charge everybody more because they have to stock 2 kinds of gas.
Oh wait... that's stupid. And so is wasting development time on IE6 at this point. By your logic, we should all still be coding for IE3.
I realize that developers don't have control over the design decisions that Microsoft makes for their product (or that people are reluctant to change to other products) but some sympathy for end users - that would be your customers, BTW - would be nice.
Let's put it this way: Grandpa Johnson gets an email from his daughter with a link to photos of his grandson. He just wants to watch the photos. He doesn't care about dragging them and dropping them into his hard drive, the 3D carousel gallery, edit them or twitter them. He just wants to watch the photos. Should he upgrade his browser and computer just to do that?
Another example. Mr Johnson (no relation to above) in the purchase dept of MegaCorp needs to buy some printers. He goes to a website and, because IT hasn't upgraded he can't use the drag and drop into the shopping cart, read the real time reviews and comments, join the facebook group or chat with a representative as he could at home. Things will also take a bit longer to load because he can't use the Ajaxy stuff. However, he can search for the printers, order them and get email and phone contact info in case he needs to.
Not considering these environments would lead to lost users and sales. By using standard coding it's not such a tall order to provide a basic interface and a way to accomplish the core tasks of the site in older browsers (not only IE6, though that's the most important of the older browsers). With the advent of mobile web browsing providing that sort of accessibility has become even more important.
The new stuff is still there: transparencies, drag and drop, third-party services integration, real-time updates, etc. but without alienating people on IE6 or other old browsers which is the impression I sometimes get from this "kill IE6" movements.
Down with IE6!
http://www.ie6nomore.com/corporate-users.html
Is it worth having alt tags for accessibility?
I'd strongly also recommend a layout that gives more room for other languages; English is naturally terse so a good guideline is to add 20% space -- if you lay it out based on Portuguese you're mostly there I think.
http://www.bringdownie6.com/
I know we as a company are getting rid of IE6 when Windows 7 comes in and moving to IE8. not ideal mind but progress.The prep for this is kick starting a number of programs already underway to move away from IE6 based web apps. This campaign should also help highlight to companies its time to invest in upgrading their webapps to a more modern setup not crippled by IE6's problems.
People who know how to upgrade don't use IE6.
1. In full screen mode (F11), moving the cursor to the top edge of the screen drops down the menu bar, search bar, toolbars, minimize and close window buttons, etc.
2. In full screen mode (F11), moving the cursor to the bottom edge of the screen brings up the task bar, to switch to other applications, go to the Start Menu, see the status of running applications, time, battery power, etc.
3. Some websites don't let you right click and save images. In IE6 these images can be found in the Temporary Internet Files folder. Firefox caches pages in some unrecognizable format so the images cannot be recovered.
When a website tells me I don't have an updated browser, I usually don't go back. I have the latest Firefox, Opera and Chrome on my computer but don't use them.
3 : Just disable right click blocking in your browser of choice, which is much simpler.
In other words, you utterly fail at browsers.
I just redirect ie6 users to this page on my site : http://sean-nieuwoudt.com/rickrolled
My main problem are big corporate companies, like banks or other extremely large companies in switzerland with very strict policies about softwares, who refuse anything else than IE6 for.... SECURITY REASONS !!! this is the same problem in official governement's offices.
It is so frustrating to hear such things, visiting their offices, with brand new hardware, fancy glossy 22'' widescreen monitors, and nothing but IE6 for browsing.....
In my web development contracts, I ask an extra 40% to any budget if IE6 support is required to protect myself.
But basically a good idea.
But basically a good idea.
http://twibbon.com
I have the feeling that a lot of those visits are from web developers (I often visit websites with IE6 to test proper rendering)
So I decided to start a "No IE6 Day" sept 1st to see the stats dropping.
Feel free to join and share http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=132304062322
AND WEBDESIGNER CAN SUCK MY COCK
Trying to kill IE6 - why not try to kill Lynx? Why not try to kill any browser that doesn't support all the technology we'd LIKE to utilise in our work? We should be looking to simply down grade support for IE6 not actively seek to remove it from the face of the Earth.
I don't care if IE doesn't have rounded corners or rgba. I don't even care if my 24bit pngs have that ugly blue instead of alpha transparency - its the users choice which browser they use [or forced in business but that is not the developers fault] the less work we do to 'fix' these things so it all looks nice in IE6 the better - we can focus on good development and eventually the consumer will upgrade when they can no longer stand the experience.
Just my humble opinion :P
Trying to kill IE6 - why not try to kill Lynx? Why not try to kill any browser that doesn't support all the technology we'd LIKE to utilise in our work? We should be looking to simply down grade support for IE6 not actively seek to remove it from the face of the Earth.
I don't care if IE doesn't have rounded corners or rgba. I don't even care if my 24bit pngs have that ugly blue instead of alpha transparency - its the users choice which browser they use [or forced in business but that is not the developers fault] the less work we do to 'fix' these things so it all looks nice in IE6 the better - we can focus on good development and eventually the consumer will upgrade when they can no longer stand the experience.
Just my humble opinion :P
http://marketshare.hitslink.com/browser-market-...
Methinks it will be tricky to kill this one.
I hate it too and wish it would go the way of the dodo.
However, it's clear that that isn't going to happen any time soon.
Providing at least basic accessibility for these visitors seems the right way to go, even if it isn't the best way - we should try to remember that the web is about people and community, not just about designs.
If you can detect the browser and display a message then you can also disable css and features that won't work in IE6, just like you can enable advanced css and features that only work in certain browsers - graceful degradation and progressive enhancement.
I notice that the startups mentioned don't appear to be the sort of companies that rely on retail sales - a potential buyer might be put off using or revisiting a site if constantly being reminded of something that they already know, and this would result in a loss of sales!
The banner asking a visitor to upgrade would soon become very annoying to the people that it targets and is almost akin to constantly telling a cripple that they can't walk - image how that would feel!?
Ultimately, in the case of the corporations, it is the IT departments that need to be told to upgrade, not the users, and I'm sure that most of them are aware of it, but that it is simply not practical for them.
As far as home-based IE6 users are concerned - with all of the campaigns for upgrading that there have been you would think they would have upgraded by now, so do we think they will click on this new banner to upgrade?
Finally, I feel that more effort should go in to coping with the issue than in to moaning about it.
it's great, especially in its support for open standards
Not to subtract from the sites named above but unless my idea of the zeitgeist is totally wrong, those websites have absolutely nothing to offer the sort of person who would still be using IE6 out of choice/ignorance.
on my domains ( http://dkmd.de/ http://dkdenz.de/ ) there are notes for IE6 since months...
on my domains ( http://dkmd.de/ http://dkdenz.de/ ) there are notes for IE6 since months...
IDIOTS. The US has the biggest number of computer and internet users, so ITS YOUR FAULT the the IE6 is still in use!
I have created a poll for IE 6 No more, so please spread it around so we can get some 100.000 votes on it.
Cheers
http://www.hiburrito.com/en/PollRotation.aspx?I...
At least Vista was built on the NT platform. However, it got a lot of bad publicity. Perhaps, by the time Windows 7 is released, people will have their confidence restored and upgrade. Who knows?!?!
Do you see any clear border where we stop thinking about IE6? I personally don't think so and will give it a ten years of support. Everything else is grossly negligent opposite your customers and their visitors.
Since everything is built using progressive enhancement IE users will still be able to do everything users with real browser can.
I still encourage IE users to upgrade though.
This way I never have to worry about IE but still know the site will be accessible to them.
in my experience ie6 has less issues than ie7 and 8. (8 being the worst with compatibility)
those browsers are fancier but in my experience have way more issues.
One definition of a tech geek is someone who accepts tech changes without reservation because they have a new toy to play with. Normal end users like consistency though and will often put off new, even free technology changes that involve significant change in their user habits.
When tech geeks and software designers start taking this to heart, they'll probably be surprised at how quickly people actually adopt new software. After all, did widespread change from IE5 to 6, or 4 to 5 take so long to happen? I don't remember such resistance.
The hiding of the menu bar, the addition of tabbed browsing (as a default), and most egrigiously moving key command buttons all put many users off IE7. Something like an IE6 interfact option would have solved the problem in a lot less time and with a lot less self-righteous blather than the solution proposed above.
The key is actually communicating and working with end users on a regular basis. I sometimes wonder if software companies ever bother to seriously do this. Judging from Microsoft's recent product changes, the answer appears to be a painful, "no."
While I would love to jump on this bandwagon, I don't think I can justify bailing on nearly a fifth of my users.
Though, IE6's death has been long overdue.
Sincerely,
James D. Lawrence
Is it possible to not include the IE8 icon, including any IE versions forthcoming?
THANKS!
Is it possible to not include the IE8 icon, including any IE versions forthcoming?
THANKS!
http://www.bringdownie6.com/
Definitely support the movement - Good luck to us all!
Why should anyone be forced to undergo the risks and difficulties of changing their software for your artist (or in many case financial) convenience? "If it works, don't fix it" is one of the standard axioms of software development, so why should you, a software user, tell me, or anyone else, to "fix" what is a piece of software that is working?
If you want to "imoprove" your site, go ahead. I won't stop you. But don't assume that I MUST then change my software for your convenience. Frankly, judging from some of the "improvements" I've seen to websites, I would like a means of seeing the "old" site (Mail dot com please note!)
Plus most of the sites which claimed on ie6nomore to join campaign, perfectly work with IE6 without any warning.
Go to hell IE 6
You need to realise *why* IE6 is still such a big force. For that I have one word: enterprise.
DIGG did the hard work to identify this (hello, talk to anyone in enterprise to *know* this).