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Re: IE6 Must Die for the Web to Move On

Myself — Thu, 10 Sep 2009 10:58:49 -0000

Where is Opera from among the icons up there? The fastest, most standards compliant web browser out there?

Re: IE6 Must Die for the Web to Move On

IE6 — Mon, 31 Aug 2009 10:39:14 -0000

For the third time.

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Re: IE6 Must Die for the Web to Move On

IE6 — Mon, 31 Aug 2009 10:17:31 -0000

Check this out.

http://validator.w3.org/che...

Re: IE6 Must Die for the Web to Move On

IE6 Forever — Mon, 31 Aug 2009 10:14:33 -0000

Check this out.

http://validator.w3.org/che...

Re: IE6 Must Die for the Web to Move On

fwolle — Tue, 25 Aug 2009 06:54:16 -0000

Hooray, thats a good decision, because IE6 makes more problems than the other browsers. It's a wonder that so many sites support it today, although it's 8 a years old program,and unsafe too. I can't understand people who're crying about that decision, because the browser haven't supported the newest technology in the year 2001 and doesn't support it now, so why living in the stone age when the future is only one step away. I agree with that decision,

IE6 must die, fast and painless.

Re: IE6 Must Die for the Web to Move On

fwolle — Tue, 25 Aug 2009 06:53:45 -0000

IE6 must die, fast and painless.

Re: IE6 Must Die for the Web to Move On

rida — Wed, 19 Aug 2009 03:36:50 -0000

+1. IE6 MUST DIE!!!!
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Re: IE6 Must Die for the Web to Move On

Curtis LaMalfa — Tue, 18 Aug 2009 19:13:16 -0000

Here's a web site we've started linking to at my work on all our web sites. http://www.ie6nomore.com/

Re: IE6 Must Die for the Web to Move On

Carl — Sat, 15 Aug 2009 17:54:31 -0000

It looks like IE6 is here to stay, unfortunately. I suppose the next step is to turn off styles for IE6 users. This site has a countdown until the death of IE6. http://www.ie6death.com/

Re: IE6 Must Die for the Web to Move On

dancastellano — Wed, 12 Aug 2009 06:54:49 -0000

We are experiencing similar problems with IE6 here in Japan. Tabulating over 570 million unique accesses of our access analysis service in July, IE6 was the #2 browser in Japan with a 24.3% share.

http://www.prlog.org/103065...

Re: IE6 Must Die for the Web to Move On

888chilly — Tue, 11 Aug 2009 11:37:57 -0000

look at what ie6 lover are telling us at saveie6.com:
Places Internet icon on desktop (you can do that with firefox and safari and everyone else duh)
High security (many updates)(oh sure, firefx can actually block ads)
More screen space thanks to no tabs(??? why would anyone not want tabs)(you can also disable them in firefox)
Lightweight (no support for silly PNG transparency, etc)(ok... )
integrated in os
no need to install
clearly these guys dont know technology at all
and those were everything comared to other browsers, and those reasons are crap look at these ones which are even worse:
Proven technology. It’s been around since 2001. (it old duh)
NO bugs. (well theres no bugs in the rest)
No unnecessary features that use up valuable screen space, such as tabs. (lame)
Handles GIF transparency.
First with AJAX technology (XMLHttpRequest, available since IE5). (but its not the last)
Renders all pages as they are supposed to look by the only standard that really matters.(yeah right)
Consistent rendering of pages makes it the web designer’s best friend. (they are designers worst friends)
The most aesthetically pleasing web browser logo. (does that matter)
Highly secure (has received lots of security updates). (firefox is more secure)
Clear interface.
Used by 97.34% of all internet users according to a onestat survey released July 28, 2003.

ps they say that ie6 renders faster then firefox and safari

Re: IE6 Must Die for the Web to Move On

IE 6 Liberation Front — Mon, 10 Aug 2009 16:46:30 -0000

This is a Communique from the IE6 Liberation Front:

We will never surrender to this IE6 genocide…
as long as there are grannies still using a 1999 Gateway with Windows 98,
as long as there are children in Africa using dialup on an abandoned Dell Optpilex from Seattle,
as long as there are mobilizer web sites to strip the CSS out of your web site,

We will carry forth with IE6 SP1 holding onto the faintest hope of SP2.

IE 6 will rise again.
"Hasta la victoria siempre."

Re: IE6 Must Die for the Web to Move On

RMPL — Sat, 08 Aug 2009 12:49:13 -0000

There's one good thing in IE 6: that you can make file available offline (actually from the section of cache), not to mention backward compatibility ..

Re: IE6 Must Die for the Web to Move On

Swashata — Thu, 06 Aug 2009 03:20:30 -0000

I wonder why the hell dont they give an auto update option to atleast update to a better IE version! This is the ....... of MS :X

Re: IE6 Must Die for the Web to Move On

Greg — Thu, 06 Aug 2009 00:41:03 -0000

Well, not really. That's the whole point. The royal "we" doesn't HAVE to deal with it... there's a culture of dealing with it which isn't easily displaced, but that's not an etched in stone mandate... even bosses and clients can eventually see the light. lol

Microsoft doesn't support Windows 2000 anymore. Why is it that web design is one of the only areas in which we feel the obligation to provide support past the date of expiry? Your own computer that you're using to view this message is in most likelihood out of warranty and not "supported" anymore. Many of us have cars that are out of warranty and we have to deal with maintenance with cold hard cash.

If, as a community, more and more people refuse to code "to" IE6, more and more people (even in these alleged corporations) will simply NEED to switch in order to use web applications properly. SOMEBODY, at some level of corporate or government, has the authority to say, "Yes, we have that custom IE6," (aside--I've never seen these companies, but I suppose the exist...?) "but for other tasks, the IT department will be adding FireFox/Opera/whatever".

For that matter, if IE6 is really THAT entrenched in the backbone of a corporate or government structure, there is very readily available virtualization. Run a virtual IE6 for legacy, and install IE8 to the real OS... there are many ways to skin the cat, but IT in "big government" or "big corporate" won't do it until they have to.

And if we keep supporting IE6, they'll never have to....

Re: IE6 Must Die for the Web to Move On

Anonymous — Wed, 05 Aug 2009 07:38:37 -0000

Want the answer ?
People not good with computer and running on Windows 2000
Using IE and can't update to superiors version
Suck but we have to deal with it....

Re: IE6 Must Die for the Web to Move On

Tomaz — Sat, 01 Aug 2009 21:50:15 -0000

Most non PC literate users I work with think they are doing the right thing by always saying "No" to anything the computer asks of them - including Microsoft updates of course, and god knows what else. So they have moved on from the good old days of accepting any download no matter how dodgy, but haven't quite got to the point where they realise that just a tiny bit of brain power might be necessary when using a computer.

One day maybe... Until Google withdraws support i guess that day is a while off.

Re: IE6 Must Die for the Web to Move On

Viktor — Fri, 31 Jul 2009 07:50:28 -0000

It is high time already, but you can sit on the old and open to more viruses than the new browsers browsers.

Re: IE6 Must Die for the Web to Move On

anonymous — Wed, 29 Jul 2009 10:06:08 -0000

Google will kill all IE browsers. They only need to switch Youtube and Google Video on HTML 5.

Re: IE6 Must Die for the Web to Move On

anonymous — Tue, 28 Jul 2009 21:07:26 -0000

"You do realize that there are more pirated copies of XP out there than actual legit ones right?"

Probably in Asia. In western countries.. I do not have a clue. Most of the computers sold preinstalled Windows are legal.

"We aren't providing technical support for pirated software we are providing technical support regardless of the source or legality of the software."

So we forget IE6 and put help text in the site: "turn off CSS if site is unusable or use newer browser". Then we are providing technical support regardless what kind of old crap user is using.

"We have a problem users are not upgrading IE6, there are several causes of this problem, one antiquated systems running win98 cannot be upgraded, two it departments not upgrading organizations while also not giving users the ability to upgrade themselves, and three users who know there system is pirated and won't hit the 'update' for fear of WGA."

Supporting antiquated systems is kind of wrong too. These are the tools of cyberwarfare and used in denial-of-service attacks.

"There is nothing I can do about the first 2. I can't force a user to upgrade there system from win98 to anything else. I also can't change how IT departments role out updates or what permissions they provide to there users."

We can make user experience on antiquated browser stressful and give clear hint to user that the problem is in antiquated software. This will create pressure to upgrade. It is wrong to force users to upgrade but it is right to not care of them if they do not update, and invest better user experience on modern browsers and mobile platforms. If site looks like shit on IE6 and user knows reason then it is not a problem.

Sad thing is that Windows 2000 users have to install new browser. I think it is acceptable to support only previous versions of operating systems, like Windows XP.

Re: IE6 Must Die for the Web to Move On

@nomadone — Tue, 28 Jul 2009 14:37:19 -0000

Just waiting for some really super geeky hacker type to create the ultimate IE6 killer which forces the world to upgrade in a matter of days!

Re: IE6 Must Die for the Web to Move On

Jeff — Tue, 28 Jul 2009 13:52:54 -0000

Well I write websites to handle thousands of global users a day. When we deal with sites that generate millions a day in sales or handle thousands of customer service requests a day the last thing I'm going to do is throw 10% of my users into the call queue. Its great to be arrogant and say that everyone should update there computer but that provides nothing to a very large segment of people other than more frustration. Providing the 'how to solve the problem' document to a user is just common sense.

But if your websites aren't commercial and don't have to deal with real people that is great. On the websites I work on we call these people customers and we want the business.

Re: IE6 Must Die for the Web to Move On

Jeff — Tue, 28 Jul 2009 13:44:05 -0000

"It is strange if we should also support illegal operating systems too because users do not dare to update. Giving technical support for pirated software is just wrong."

You do realize that there are more pirated copies of XP out there than actual legit ones right? We aren't providing technical support for pirated software we are providing technical support regardless of the source or legality of the software. We have a problem users are not upgrading IE6, there are several causes of this problem, one antiquated systems running win98 cannot be upgraded, two it departments not upgrading organizations while also not giving users the ability to upgrade themselves, and three users who know there system is pirated and won't hit the 'update' for fear of WGA.

There is nothing I can do about the first 2. I can't force a user to upgrade there system from win98 to anything else. I also can't change how IT departments role out updates or what permissions they provide to there users. i can however provide the link and explanation to the third group. If I can reach a third of them and get them to upgrade its worthy of doing. besides we're not talking about anything major here, javascript detect and redirect to a plain jane web page with a link and brief couple of words.

In the real world we know that no shortage of our users are using pirated software. Microssoft has even realized this and now provides all security fixes as well as the IE upgrades for free even to pirated copies of XP. All we have to do is tell our users this fact and that they don't have to be afraid of upgrading. This isn't providing technical support this is just common sense and providing a link and a paragraph of text.

Re: IE6 Must Die for the Web to Move On

anonymous — Tue, 28 Jul 2009 13:17:27 -0000

"if our user are unable to use our site or service because of incompatibility we need to make a choice."

Well, Windows XP users have the 8 years backwards compatibility.. It is strange if we should also support illegal operating systems too because users do not dare to update. Giving technical support for pirated software is just wrong.

Re: IE6 Must Die for the Web to Move On

Jeff — Tue, 28 Jul 2009 11:35:38 -0000

At some level you are very correct. On another we developers need to provide a method for users to use or site or service. if our user are unable to use our site or service because of incompatibility we need to make a choice. Either we ignore them and lose them as users or we provide them with the information they will need to upgrade or install a product that is compatible. As a developer many problems relate to how we communicate instructions to users to get the results we want. Simply raising your hands and saying 'not my problem' is a very junior solution.