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What isn't accounted for in the ROI discussion is the reputational impact -- much public relations activity is not in direct service to selling; it's not analogous to advertising (which is how we all got in trouble using AVE as a success measure.)
Marketing using social media is one thing -- PR using social media is another. You can quantify impact on relationships among your constituencies, but that's often a costly metric to develop. Sentiment analysis, as with mainstream media, is a descriptive metric of output, not outcome. There are few reliable metrics of quantity in social media (impressions or cost per impression don't really work), so we're left looking for implications: if the comment stream is positive, involves an audience we care about, is in targeted social media (bloggers, mainly), and reflects the diversity of our messaging, we can claim a modicum of success.
That's not going to satisfy the high-forehead types that want to see financial impact statements. But from a reputation management perspective, we can do research that places social media into the proper context among the other inputs to positive reputation.
It's an issue that so much of social media is individual to individual -- our systems of determining value don't apply too well in that space. But it's evident that we need to apply social media as a part of our reputation mix, depending on the objectives and organization.
I'm glad Mashable has this article and I feel this will be yet more evidence that businesses should be getting involved in Social Media as well as the world of advertising will be going through some serious changes and adaptations.
Kudos to Christina Great Article!
Mentioned here: http://www.honeytechblog.com/top-10-social-medi...
Yeah, "Without an Analytics we can't predict about ROI" and even if you the ROI without goals, calculations and analysis then its your good luck. :P
ROI is a 100% financial metric, and is only used when the end result of what you're doing is to get people to buy something. Which is why it's often a metric used in marketing and sales, the end result of what they're doing is to get you to buy more.
If you're trying to do something like say increase the online sentiment of your company or product. Then what you're going to be doing is measuring impact. How much your efforts "moved the needles".
Social media is like the swiss army knife of online tools. It's a tool that is comprised of many other tools. Measuring your ROI has nothing to do with the tool it self, it's all about HOW you use it that will determine if ROI is even the right metric by which you measure your success.
I make a strong argument that ROI is NOT a term that should be used with social media. It goes back to your accurate definition of ROI (x-y)/y where x = sales and y = investment.
1) Marketing is NOT sales - it increases the probability of sales by creating awareness and generating qualified leads. While this is still an endless debate in companies, marketing should not be measured on sales. A sales organization wins sales, but they require the support of marketing (and many other organization partners).
2) While not exactly correct, social media is seen as a marketing tool set. Yes, it is extremely useful for marketing, but used correctly, it is a strong tool for other organization groups.
3) But lets stick with social media = marketing for the argument of using ROI for social media ... once again marketing is not sales and therefore a social media marketing endeavor does not create sales, but increases the probability of sales. Thus I agree with your recommendations for baselining and suggested parameters to measure.
4) Thus you can "Mesaure the Value of Social Media", but not ROI (as suggested in the article at see http://bit.ly/hodQp.
All in all, great coverage.
Thanks,
Social Steve
http://socialsteve.wordpress.com
I actually agree with many of your points -- and I had a little mini-crisis half-way through the first draft of this post over the nomenclature of all of this stuff. Ultimately, I played a little loose with what my accounting professors would have defined as ROI, but I hope that the information was still informative in measuring the value of social media (as you said).
Thanks for your comments!
I think you did a great job pulling together meaning information on a topic (ROI/value)that has been a challenge for marketing forever - not just social media. Thanks to you for your content!
Best,
Social Steve
http://www.cyberbuzz.com/2009/11/05/times-squar...
Thanks for the great article. I have two questions.
1) The metrics you are discussing are mostly quantitative (number of tweets, mentions, traffic). Do you know of any company on the Internet that is engaged into that type of measurement, i.e. makes software that does that type of stuff on a larger scale?
2) The hard part of measuring social media is the intangible costs and benefits. Are there any methods to measure those?
Thanks!
But, it is still fun to own my little piece of the internet and dream.
Big companies though are probably gonna take a good hard look at this and realize that even some of the biggest social media sites are more headache that worth it.
Look at Twitter and Youtube. If you are not selling your metric to marketers or not somehow else defining all the hits you get with marketing knowhow you are going nowhere.
Hit's without sales are OK if you can define trends and spikes etc that marketers can use to put ads on your desktop. If you have that going on then you might make it on having great Buzz alone - like Twitter or maybe Youtube.
http://ow.ly/wRpU
Tim
http://marketing-made-simple.com
Digital Media only makes up about 10% of media activity and Social Media is just a small part of that. While you can use Social Media tools to improve response, ROI for Social Media (or any specific activity in an integrated marketing campaign) just isn't realistic.
I wrote an article on this. See here: http://www.digitaltonto.com/2009/quest-for-digi...
- Greg
I have to say, social media can be overwhelming. I think that sometimes the problem is that there are so many services and 'aggregators', that it is hard to focus on a few and explore the possibilities to measure the ROI. Also, the fact that we need to juggle so many social media sites at the same time sometimes mean that we don't pay enough attention to them and end up, unintentionally, hurting the ROI potential.
At least that is my experience with my webpage (www.OnlineCouples.com). We have a twitter account, a facebook account, technorati, amazon, linkedin, and many other sites that, sincerely, I don't even know what falls into what category anymore.
Now, I think it is great to have all these possibilities out there. But it is very important to define goals and choose. A good strategy includes leaving things (or social media sites) behind - choosing.
Thoughts?
However...I would love to see more thoughts on getting to "R". 3 paragraphs (one of which was just a series of questions) didn't quite make the point. It's hard, you're right, and the example on sales you gave is a good one.
Is there any more follow up on non-sales type return measurements? Metrics are one thing, but results are another...
Clearly defining measurable objectives is so key. I wrote about it at the link below, listing some standard types of objectives and simple ways to measure success.
Measuring Social Media Success? Fail.
http://www.davehaber.ca/interactive-objectives-...
Cheers,
Dave Haber
http://www.davehaber.ca
http://www.redshiftagency.com/
I do believe that if sales and immediate financial gains are your main concern (which it is for 99%) of companies then this is a good way to look at things.
At our agency we also add another big component into this way of analysing though: Interaction. This is something that is very hard to measure but we have developed a points scoring system which will allow you to see how many people you 'speak' to for your dollar or pound. I guess this means that ROI can be measured in different ways or from different angles depending on what your initial aims were.
We always advise our clients that SMO should be used for stimulating conversation or interaction (which is hard to measure) everyone has their own ways of measuring, I guess one day we will all agree on one!
Great article and idea here!!
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hah! got ya...
Our GWave Augmented Hivemind indicator is indicating that our Conversational capital is earning 5% on the NASDAQ Social Futures market.
Captain, cue Fischerspooner and set course for planet Google
Keep up good work
gifts for men
Maybe after this great article someone wil chenge idea......
My latest blog post shows sample screenshots so that you can see how powerful this tool is: Measure Your Sentiment With PeopleBrowsr Analytics http://is.gd/4IeQ8
Thanks!
Lori
Cheers,
www.mytweetmark.com
For instance, with the proper AS3 code installed, we track our #Gigya Wildfire wrapped flash objects across over 70 social and bookmarking sites. The widgets drive incredible amounts of traffic to blogs and sites when deployed correctly. All you have to do after coding and deployment is have 3 windows open. Tweetdeck is good, the Gigya real time reporting window and your site stats tool.
As you tweet or drop a link into Facebook or elsewhere, you see the metrics evolve minute by minute. Most social experts/marketers are just starting to see this powerful set of tools because us developers spent this year getting our head around how it could be rapidly deployed by non technical staff. We are there now.
Gigya overtook the market this year with excess of 30M views per month. At 12flat (our developer site) and DMS Communications we strongly sense the need for "Social Marketers" to start using this technology and it's inherent (analytic) punch. Companies marketing departments need assignments for staff to spend a few hours per day on the network itself, or to outsource the conversations to an available expert.
I thoroughly enjoyed this post. Well done.
Thank you
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i hava some media part here http://www.top-battery.com.au/
From what I have read so far of all the comments, there seems to be a distinct lack of consensus about KPIs. I hope your "What Do You Think?" invitation to comment leads to Mashable crowdsourcing some kind of standard set of metric tools. I have had a go at doing this for mobile ads - see "Mobile Analytics for Monkeys" on www.riverphonic.com. Early days yet, but necessary steps. If media investors can't figure out their ROI, they are less likely to spend the money. Best regards, Tim
http://www.clicktrue.biz/blog/web-analytics-con...
I agree that there are definitely two metrics when measuring your social media marketing activities. The first is online reputation tracking and how your business/products are perceived online and the other is ROI.
Unfortunately, most budget holders want to measure dollar spent/dollar gained and that's a reality of running a business.
We set out to meet this requirement and have built a web-based ROI tool called smtrac (http://smtrac.com), which enables you to centralise the management and reporting of your marketing activities over social media applications, websites, email campaigns, blogs and even printed collateral.