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Re: Google’s Plan to Kill Internet Explorer? Google Wave

davidbunker — Mon, 16 Nov 2009 11:30:00 -0000

You know Bob, by calling another user an "asshole" you discredit you and what you have said. Your comments are childish Microsoft love rather than calm calculated arguments that others can respect.

You also pointed out that zurchers.com is not validating, and you know what? You're 100% correct. I took over the management of the site about 2 months ago with specific instruction from the owner to simply increase sales, but NOT touch the site other than what was absolutely necessary to increase sales. The site was raking in sales before the old webmaster told them he'd bring it out of a table based model to a "standards compliant" div and css based site. As you can see a subpar job was done at best. I long for the day to scrap that site and give them a new one, but sales, security, and SEO are first priority at this point.

Also, I did NOT say that the woman was having problems with MY site. Now, I've had to implement a few hacks since I've been here and I've cleaned up a LOT of very bad code, but the Zurchers site performs flawlessly in all browsers except IE6 which the company dropped supporting before I took over. It's not perfect, but it's what I have to do for now. The woman who called in is a long time customer and as a side note expressed that her internet window kept crashing. (hmm . . . just one of the joyous features of your beloved IE),. My first question? "Are you running Internet Explorer?" Her response? "What is that?" So after explaining that there was another kind of way to view the internet, I walked her through the install. I would bet good money she'll never go back. Who would, unless they are stuck on some corporate network?

I can't believe you even defend that horrible excuse for a browser. Your points about it not being HTML5 standard? So what? It's not up to par with the rest of the world. What a joke. Use any of the other browsers please. I don't know of anyone who has ever switched to Firefox (or even the others) that would ever switch back. Keep your flame comments to yourself while the rest of us jump for joy at any attempt to get rid of this lame sorry excuse for a browser. Long live Firefox.

Re: Google’s Plan to Kill Internet Explorer? Google Wave

bob — Fri, 13 Nov 2009 20:35:26 -0000

That's no surprise since your website is far from validating: http://validator.w3.org/che...
Maybe if you actually wrote good HTML your clients wouldn't need to go through the trouble of changing browsers.

Re: Google’s Plan to Kill Internet Explorer? Google Wave

davidbunker — Fri, 13 Nov 2009 19:57:35 -0000

This is good news. I try to inform all of customers to switch to anything except Internet Explorer. I truly have nothing good to say about that browser. Bring up a small point if you like, but as a developer it's the only browser I ever have to fight with. Don't get me wrong, they all have their quirks (even Firefox), but at the end of the day I don't end up searching "please kill internet explorer" in a search bar and pulling up THIS article lol. I run a small site http://www.zurchers.com and just today I had a woman who was having problems call and I walked her through the install of Firefox. She called me back a few hours later just to tell me who much faster her "internet connection" was. She'd never even heard of Firefox. Everyone should spread the word and get people away from this horrible excuse for a browser.

Re: Google’s Plan to Kill Internet Explorer? Google Wave

Danielle McLean — Fri, 13 Nov 2009 17:56:15 -0000

Please, stop flaming me. In my previous comment, I stated that HTML5 is not a standard by the W3 sense of the word. I know that it's a W3 draft.

My actual point, which seems to have been ignored in the torrent of flaming over whether HTML5 is officially a standard or not, is that Wave works in every browser except for IE, and not just Google's browser - it's not the same as saying "Hey, our page needs ActiveX so you gotta use IE!"

Not only is Wave supported on every good browser, but Google provide a plugin to allow even the poor IE users to still access Wave. This is not at all monopolistic.

Re: Google’s Plan to Kill Internet Explorer? Google Wave

bob — Fri, 13 Nov 2009 13:10:21 -0000

No asshole it's a DRAFT, not a standard. Unlike you, I know the difference between the two "thingys". Just because it's supported by most browsers does not make it a W3 STANDARD as you stated in your original post.

Re: Google’s Plan to Kill Internet Explorer? Google Wave

Danielle McLean — Thu, 12 Nov 2009 22:30:43 -0000

Sorry, I fail to understand how IE 8 in any way actually supports HTML5 properly, given that it doesn't load HTML5 pages.

HTML5 is an official W3... let's call it a "thingy"... which is supported in every browser except for IE. It's supported by most browsers, therefore it's the standard. It's not a "standard", but it's the standard.

The point still stands that Chrome Frame enables the only browser that doesn't work with HTML5 to work with HTML5.

Re: Google’s Plan to Kill Internet Explorer? Google Wave

bob — Thu, 12 Nov 2009 22:02:38 -0000

There are so many things wrong with your post. You are simply blinded by your hatred for Microsoft, and you choose to spew falsehoods just to validate your little version of reality.
FIRST, you are wrong in saying that IE does not support HTML 5. You would be correct in saying that IE 6, the version that Chrome Frame seeks to extend, does not support HTML 5. BUT, IE 8 does have support for HTML 5.
SECOND, HTML 5 is nowhere near to being a W3 standard. It is many years from being that. If you read that page you linked to, you would see that HTML 5 is still a W3 DRAFT. That does not mean STANDARD.
You MUST check your facts before you continue infecting the internet with idiot comments such as the one you just made. You're just another Google Bitch who gets a wet dream every time Google releases something. I say good luck to Google getting a lot of people on board with a feature that excludes a lot of web users. If the same people won't finally upgrade IE 6 to IE 8, they certainly won't add Chrome Frame to IE 6.

Re: Google’s Plan to Kill Internet Explorer? Google Wave

Danielle McLean — Thu, 12 Nov 2009 18:22:08 -0000

"...force people to use IE because they had something in it which wasn't standards compliant... Google do the same..."

Objection. Google have not done the same at all, and, in fact, are not forcing anyone to use their browser: just a browser that IS standards compliant. Wave is using HTML 5, which is, surprise surprise, a W3 standard: http://dev.w3.org/html5/spec/Overview.html
IE does not support HTML 5 because it's a bad browser. Wave runs just fine in every other browser. Incidentally, Google's release of Chrome Frame is the exact opposite of monopolistic. It's allowing the only browser too crappy to not support HTML 5 (IE) to still get access to their new application.

Re: Google’s Plan to Kill Internet Explorer? Google Wave

Google? Whatever — Tue, 03 Nov 2009 19:07:26 -0000

It's absolutely ridiculous if anyone defends this decision. If Microsoft attempt to force people to use IE because they had something in it which wasn't standards compliant or just simply pushed the envelope, they would be so heavily criticised it's unreal.

Google do the same and they're hailed as technical genii!? It doesn't ring true, and it shows that people are stupid if they back Google for doing something so monopolistic, and they simply believe the over-hyped "do no evil" statement.

I will wait for a more open email system - sorry, i mean, collaboration platform that blows everything else out of the water... ;-)

Re: Google’s Plan to Kill Internet Explorer? Google Wave

James Radford — Sat, 17 Oct 2009 18:33:10 -0000

Been playing with Google Wave for a while now, its great stuff although going back to the Chrome IE war I wouldn't be surprised if Microsoft had something in the pipeline... Watch this space...

Re: Google’s Plan to Kill Internet Explorer? Google Wave

Minneapolis Apartment Guy — Thu, 08 Oct 2009 15:29:21 -0000

Smart plan by Google. They are starting to pave the way into everything. Won't be long now until they try their hand at a full OS.

Re: Google’s Plan to Kill Internet Explorer? Google Wave

anuja — Wed, 07 Oct 2009 10:45:47 -0000

heee heee very nice thing i hear. we web designers has lots of prob with IE. so majority of people like google wave (which is awesome) we can say bye to IE :D. But unfortunately, the majority of old fashioned people doesn't want google wave. Its really hard to teach them the difference between IE and the other browsers.

Re: Google’s Plan to Kill Internet Explorer? Google Wave

kelly — Tue, 29 Sep 2009 21:44:34 -0000

This will crash and burn. Sorta like Windows ME for the web.

Re: Google’s Plan to Kill Internet Explorer? Google Wave

cosa usare per enema — Tue, 29 Sep 2009 16:33:13 -0000

what about bing, powered by MC

Re: Google’s Plan to Kill Internet Explorer? Google Wave

Joseph — Tue, 29 Sep 2009 15:47:58 -0000

Typical IE user - ignorant by choice. If you look at the graphic from the article, you can see clearly that there is a link to "go ahead" and try Wave on IE without installing the plugin. They're not forcing you to do anything, and as you said, you're always free to use something else. You use IE8, so you've already chosen to use something inferior, and sticking with mediocrity sounds right up your alley.

Go play on the highway.

Re: Google’s Plan to Kill Internet Explorer? Google Wave

William Lacy — Fri, 25 Sep 2009 15:48:14 -0000

Since Chrome Frame works on OGGTV already, IE users can have access to HTML5 video and the VLC player browser plug-in. This can help people who need access to open-source video on the internet.

Re: Google’s Plan to Kill Internet Explorer? Google Wave

bob — Thu, 24 Sep 2009 13:18:42 -0000

All this is assuming they'll migrate from IE6 to a non IE browser. Who's to say they won't all migrate to IE8 instead? IE6 didn't kill itself, the users of IE6 killed IE6 by not updating first to IE7 and still not updating to IE8. Like many people here say, the Chrome plugin for IE6 will only serve to keep people on the browser. IE8 can compete with the other broswers standards-wise, and has the IE name recognition. IE won't die, just IE6 (hopefully).

Re: Google’s Plan to Kill Internet Explorer? Google Wave

Paul — Thu, 24 Sep 2009 12:20:02 -0000

I'm not sure how big a deal this will be at first. Google Wave will initially appeal to the tech-savvy, who are the least likely to still be using IE6 and the most likely to be using Firefox or another alternate browser.

Re: Google’s Plan to Kill Internet Explorer? Google Wave

equipo de enema — Thu, 24 Sep 2009 05:35:16 -0000

google chrome is just updated

go google go

Re: Google’s Plan to Kill Internet Explorer? Google Wave

akshayd — Thu, 24 Sep 2009 04:09:50 -0000

The blog by Google clearly brings to fore the war that Microsoft"s IE in general and IE6 in particular will have to fight, right at its doorstep. The fact that IE6 is not a developer"s favourite browser is accepted but most of the internet users still use IE so it is essential for companies to support IE and there ARE certain Google Wave-like collaboration platforms ( eg. Colayer) which have successfully integrated their technologies into the IE6, alongwith other browsers like FF, Safari and Chrome.

Re: Google’s Plan to Kill Internet Explorer? Google Wave

Samantha Negus — Thu, 24 Sep 2009 02:21:20 -0000

I just watched the whole 1hr 20min video on Wave and it looks very exciting.

Re: Google’s Plan to Kill Internet Explorer? Google Wave

bob — Wed, 23 Sep 2009 13:33:12 -0000

That is awesome. Google is taking a risk assuming Wave will take off Facebook-style, but if it does, MS will have to do some serious work on their browser or risk being left behind.

Re: Google’s Plan to Kill Internet Explorer? Google Wave

Danielle Zadori — Wed, 23 Sep 2009 13:00:49 -0000

Let's see how it turns out. The plugin could be required, but maybe it will be optional for IE8. I can imagine Wave would run IE8, but even better using the plugin.

As I understand, our tech guys prefer IE for corporate usage since it is much easier to roll it out and control the defaults and settings for a large number of users. But then again, the tech guys from some of our customers are also the dinosaurs that keep IE6 alive since they don't feel a real need to upgrade.

No matter who's right, with this plugin we are all ready for it. Both the plugin, IE and Chrome are free for downloading so it wouldn't cost you more whether you choose one or the other setup.

We can all live happily ever after !

Re: Google’s Plan to Kill Internet Explorer? Google Wave

enema — Wed, 23 Sep 2009 12:00:56 -0000

what ever, all are same an the end

Re: Google’s Plan to Kill Internet Explorer? Google Wave

kkkl — Wed, 23 Sep 2009 11:31:12 -0000

dang