DISQUS

Fadi Rizk · 2 months ago

with or without Google Wave, nobody should be using Internet Explorer

kilinkis · 2 months ago

yes google, please kill IE!

Andy Feliciotti · 2 months ago

Can't wait for the invites to go out

CantonDog · 2 months ago

I don't know if Google Wave is going to attract much attention for the majority of users, but anytime I see a company giving the finger to IE and basically saying "If you're not going to fix your horrible browser, we're going to find a way around you." that gets a double thumbs up from me!

Marco Carag · 2 months ago

May I be the first (after many, many millions, that is) to say:

F. Yea.

vitaliyrizhkov · 2 months ago

IE is slowest broser, dont know who can use it. Freezing all the time. Mozilla and Chrome is the best.
Can't wait to test Google Waive.

mime · 2 months ago

thats why i love google. hope web developers realize this way they can kill ie forever

Alex M / Narfmaster · 2 months ago

Too awesome. Well here's hoping Google Wave is as awesome as it sounds, so it pulls people off IE6.

sizemattic · 2 months ago

Death to IE!

tmmcdaniel92 · 2 months ago

I personaly like IE, but i never used any other web browser and now after reading this artical, I plan to get google chrome and try it out to see if it what others say it is.

John · 2 months ago

And if MS responds with an IE Frame plugin for Chrome? Cool, I could be running an IE Frame plugin inside my Chrome Frame plugin inside IE.

Danielle Zadori · 2 months ago

Google's plan to kill Internet Explorer? Are you sure?

By offering a plug-in for Internet Explorer, they bring the power of the wave into Internet Explorer. Rather than saying this is the way to kill, it seems more like giving the enemy a weapon as well to fight a fair and equal battle.

So in a few days I might run our intranet application that uses ActiveX in Mozilla FireFox using the IETab plugin, and Internet Explorer with the Google Chrome Frame to use Wave.

Unfortunately our IT department doesn't allow FireFox 3.5 yet. Google Chrome works great for me at home, but for what I understood it doesn't offer an IT Department as much options as Internet Explorer to control the behavior and settings for groups of users.

I'm glad to see that Browser manufacturers can be better friends than Browser users. :D

Regards, Danielle

Anderson Moreira · 2 months ago

Yes, the IE just do the Webmater's life hard, but, this won't happines, and We will have to see the IE in your lifes 4ever... :(

Google, Yes, We Can!

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AndersonZ1.

Social Media SEO · 2 months ago

Is Google Wave going to realistically be something that the average Internet user is going to be able to adapt? I do a lot of consulting with what I would call the "average" computer user, and Google Wave might be out of reach for a lot of users - just a thought.

GibSEM · 2 months ago

I like you, work with "average" computer users and the thought of old dogs and new tricks comes to mind here... I'm sure I'll catch heat from techies for saying this but it may be great for developers and other techies but for most, all they want in a browser is to get from point A to point B. All the in-between stuff just gets in their way. But, kudos for great technology development.. sure other great elements will fall out of the effort!

Dave Nattriss · 2 months ago

Initially, yes, but people will get it over time (perhaps a few years until it's used mainstream).

The Wandering Foodie · 2 months ago

I'm with you on this one - could go the way of the Newton. I guess you can look at the iPhone today and realize that we've come full circle.

katyy · 2 months ago

At least for us, this sounds like a great news ! We are one step closer to dropping IE support in http://www.taskwriter.com, which it's been a huge pain till now.

lagspike · 2 months ago

1 week to go <(^_^<)

Chris Matchett · 2 months ago

Oh great I won't be able to use it at work. Back to Twitter then...

Dave Nattriss · 2 months ago

That's the whole point of the Chrome plug-in, so that you can!

F. Andy Seidl · 2 months ago

I stand by what I said a year ago: Chrome is disruptive technology - http://faseidl.com/public/blog/212172

John_Westra · 2 months ago

This is a huge gamble for Google as it is both a barrier to entry for wave as well as a provocation for Microsoft to develop their own alternative.

cameron mulder · 2 months ago

It isn't just Google wave. Just think if they added a button to youtube that said, for best experience install chrome plugin for IE. Same goes for many google services.

This might actually be the best way to get people to upgrade to a real browser.

Dave Nattriss · 2 months ago

They already do that on Gmail. YouTube wouldn't really perform any better with Chrome though - it's just simple-ish pages with Flash video.

yuhmon · 2 months ago

Man why is the web still using Firefox's old icon?
Can they just switch to the 3.5 updated one? It looks much better

blckbrry · 2 months ago

blckbrry · 2 months ago

This totally sucks!

In the near future we're gonna need Chrome or some stupid Chrome plugin just to watch a video on YouTube, damsit.

Google is the new Microsoft wannabe.

jamie1984 · 2 months ago

Agreed lol

Google wants ('hopes') to be Microsoft 1995+!

Dave Nattriss · 2 months ago

Rubbish!

blckbrry · 2 months ago

Rubbish is your moronish comment.

Miguel · 2 months ago

News Flash: Google owns YouTube, so there is no need to panic

Nicolas Challeil · 2 months ago

you will not need Chrome. You'll need fast and reliable browser. That could be Firefox, Chrome, Opera, Safari but NOT Internet Explorer.
This Chrome plugin for IE will save us ;) (us, web application developer)

blckbrry · 2 months ago

I'm afraid it won't save us. Most IE users won't install the Chrome plugin, there are several reasons for that to happen, so we will still have to do the extra work for our sites to render properly on IE without the plugin.

Wave was supposed to run in any platform. Turns out that it can't run on IE? Come on, the whole matter is about forcing users to migrate from IE to Chrome.

Danielle Zadori · 2 months ago

.....Wave was supposed to run in any platform. Turns out that it can't run on IE? Come on, the whole matter is about forcing users to migrate from IE to Chrome.....

Your conclusion is not correct, or at least needs a little adjustment. IE6 doesn't have JavaScript and HTML5 support to handle Google Wave. IE 8 can handle JavaScript and does have HTML5 support, including local storage, AJAX navigation, and such. If that is enough to support Wave, I'm not sure from experience, but it looks to me that IE 8 is capable to run Wave.

Again, I can't tell from experience, but if IE6 isn't able to to run Wave, that doesn't automatically mean it can't run in any other IE version. That would be as blunt as to say that Wave can not run in any other web browser since it doesn't run on Netscape Navigator 4.

blckbrry · 2 months ago

Danielle, apparently the plugin will be required for EVERY version of Internet Explorer, not just IE6.

Danielle Zadori · 2 months ago

Let's see how it turns out. The plugin could be required, but maybe it will be optional for IE8. I can imagine Wave would run IE8, but even better using the plugin.

As I understand, our tech guys prefer IE for corporate usage since it is much easier to roll it out and control the defaults and settings for a large number of users. But then again, the tech guys from some of our customers are also the dinosaurs that keep IE6 alive since they don't feel a real need to upgrade.

No matter who's right, with this plugin we are all ready for it. Both the plugin, IE and Chrome are free for downloading so it wouldn't cost you more whether you choose one or the other setup.

We can all live happily ever after !

Victor Ibe · 2 months ago

Google is the new Microsoft. So now it dosent even care what version of IE I use (IE8) i have to switch. So now i will exercise my free and open option to not use any google/mozilla/apple product that forces me to switch. at least give me an option to venture forth into the fray knowing that things might just not work. With all the plugins that i have installed on ie8 i dont want to switch. I now have a acid2 compliant, svg capable, Mozilla XUL rendering ie8 and to make it seem as if it dosent do any standards is silly.
But I will give them theslow javascript part. Now to find a plugin to replace that...

Dave Nattriss · 2 months ago

I don't think they were talking about IE8. Primarily IE6, which is over 8 years old now and simply not capable of running cutting edge web applications. Offering a Chrome plug-in is a great workaround though for those that have no choice about their browser.

Joseph · 2 months ago

Typical IE user - ignorant by choice. If you look at the graphic from the article, you can see clearly that there is a link to "go ahead" and try Wave on IE without installing the plugin. They're not forcing you to do anything, and as you said, you're always free to use something else. You use IE8, so you've already chosen to use something inferior, and sticking with mediocrity sounds right up your alley.

Go play on the highway.

Peyton Smith IV · 2 months ago

This is extreamly smart... except if i was incharge i would allow (if possible) a plugin for IE that would let it run it... but the plugin cost $10 so eaither stop using IE or pay google $10 so its a win-win so yea... thats what i would do...

orelia · 2 months ago

explorer has a lot of bag points

but other ones are full wiht bugs to

consulting · 2 months ago

I like safari
it's nice browser

Lauren Cannon · 2 months ago

Kill IE? How about Facebook instead?

ThePhotoArtBlog · 2 months ago

Count down has begin.

Erik · 2 months ago

This might actually be a hit - you must be aware of your dinosaur software to use Google Wave! =D

Now to do that with Gmail...and the homepage :P

nikon kameratasche · 2 months ago

Actually they will be helping Microsoft run their Office Online App on IE6 which is not on the list of supported browsers but Safari is, which is webkit based. So they may end up giving an incentive for IE6 users not to upgrade but just install this plugin.

dainathomas · 2 months ago

IE 6 .. how can anyone work on that browser when we have got so many better and good options in the market. IE6 is pathetically slow and hangs .. I personally like Firefox .. and like chrome for its speed .. IE 6 ppl plz plz switch ur browsers .. (its a humble request)

Cheers,
Daina

Francis Rosário · 2 months ago

Google Wave works on Opera?

Markus Hegi · 2 months ago

I doubt that this strategy will work out:
> much more than half of the Internet population still uses IE
> Plug-ins are hardly used by a 'normal' user (except the pre-installed flash plug-in - but I doubt, that on a Microsoft PC, a google plug-in will be pre-installed by default)
For me, this is one more hint that Anil Dash is actually right: Google Wave runs into a complexity problem! - And other systems will rather succeed, with similar concepts, but simpler technology - doing it 'the web way', and not 'the wave way' -

sebastien brault · 2 months ago

Typical misconception coming from the average user:
"I like Internet Explorer, although that's the only browser I've used, but I will install and try google Chrome to see if it is such a better browser".
Well, average user, sorry to disappoint you, but you will NOT SEE any difference! Why? because web developers all around the world have worked extra hours to make sure that the web sites they build work properly in Internet Explorer.
This is why Internet Explorer is still the most used browser, and this is why things will stay that way for a very long time. The many flaws of Internet Explorer are HIDDEN from the casual users, by all sorts of hacks and tricks in the code used to build web sites, so that casual users CANNOT really experience how bad Internet Explorer is.
So, we, web developers are left to relentlessly claim that IE is way behind other browsers, while spending half of our work time to make sure nobody notices! See the paradox?
In other words, as long as Internet Explorer is the dominant browser, the evolution of the web will have to go at the pace dictated by the evolution of Internet Explorer, and the average user (using IE) will not have the means to understand why they should switch to a better browser. It's a vicious circle. The only way to break out of this vicious circle is for web developers to stop supporting Internet Explorer. Because that is the only way the average user will notice the difference: when they'll only see broken pages in IE. But who, as a professional web developer in his right mind, will dare to build pages that look broken in Internet Explorer?..... Nobody. Only a hugely powerful company like Google can take that step. I hope more will follow.

kkkl · 2 months ago

dang

enema · 2 months ago

what ever, all are same an the end

bob · 2 months ago

That is awesome. Google is taking a risk assuming Wave will take off Facebook-style, but if it does, MS will have to do some serious work on their browser or risk being left behind.

Samantha Negus · 2 months ago

I just watched the whole 1hr 20min video on Wave and it looks very exciting.

akshayd · 2 months ago

The blog by Google clearly brings to fore the war that Microsoft"s IE in general and IE6 in particular will have to fight, right at its doorstep. The fact that IE6 is not a developer"s favourite browser is accepted but most of the internet users still use IE so it is essential for companies to support IE and there ARE certain Google Wave-like collaboration platforms ( eg. Colayer) which have successfully integrated their technologies into the IE6, alongwith other browsers like FF, Safari and Chrome.

equipo de enema · 2 months ago

google chrome is just updated

go google go

Chris Lang · 2 months ago

Google is not out to kill IE, IE killed itself. We have been bitchin about IE's non standards based HTML engine for 10 years. Now it has MS has finally kicked their own butts by now being able to run the hottest new app on the Internet.

It should not have taken this long. It is not about the browser guys, it is about the web. I use all 5 browsers, don't matter which because it is about the end result: Saving time and making money.

That is what Gwave will do.

bob · 2 months ago

All this is assuming they'll migrate from IE6 to a non IE browser. Who's to say they won't all migrate to IE8 instead? IE6 didn't kill itself, the users of IE6 killed IE6 by not updating first to IE7 and still not updating to IE8. Like many people here say, the Chrome plugin for IE6 will only serve to keep people on the browser. IE8 can compete with the other broswers standards-wise, and has the IE name recognition. IE won't die, just IE6 (hopefully).

Paul McElligott · 2 months ago

I'm not sure how big a deal this will be at first. Google Wave will initially appeal to the tech-savvy, who are the least likely to still be using IE6 and the most likely to be using Firefox or another alternate browser.

William Lacy · 2 months ago

Since Chrome Frame works on OGGTV already, IE users can have access to HTML5 video and the VLC player browser plug-in. This can help people who need access to open-source video on the internet.

cosa usare per enema · 2 months ago

what about bing, powered by MC

kelly · 2 months ago

This will crash and burn. Sorta like Windows ME for the web.

anuja · 2 months ago

heee heee very nice thing i hear. we web designers has lots of prob with IE. so majority of people like google wave (which is awesome) we can say bye to IE :D. But unfortunately, the majority of old fashioned people doesn't want google wave. Its really hard to teach them the difference between IE and the other browsers.

Minneapolis Apartment Guy · 2 months ago

Smart plan by Google. They are starting to pave the way into everything. Won't be long now until they try their hand at a full OS.

James Radford · 1 month ago

Been playing with Google Wave for a while now, its great stuff although going back to the Chrome IE war I wouldn't be surprised if Microsoft had something in the pipeline... Watch this space...

Google? Whatever · 1 month ago

It's absolutely ridiculous if anyone defends this decision. If Microsoft attempt to force people to use IE because they had something in it which wasn't standards compliant or just simply pushed the envelope, they would be so heavily criticised it's unreal.

Google do the same and they're hailed as technical genii!? It doesn't ring true, and it shows that people are stupid if they back Google for doing something so monopolistic, and they simply believe the over-hyped "do no evil" statement.

I will wait for a more open email system - sorry, i mean, collaboration platform that blows everything else out of the water... ;-)

00Davo · 3 weeks ago

"...force people to use IE because they had something in it which wasn't standards compliant... Google do the same..."

Objection. Google have not done the same at all, and, in fact, are not forcing anyone to use their browser: just a browser that IS standards compliant. Wave is using HTML 5, which is, surprise surprise, a W3 standard: http://dev.w3.org/html5/spec/Overview.html
IE does not support HTML 5 because it's a bad browser. Wave runs just fine in every other browser. Incidentally, Google's release of Chrome Frame is the exact opposite of monopolistic. It's allowing the only browser too crappy to not support HTML 5 (IE) to still get access to their new application.

bob · 3 weeks ago

There are so many things wrong with your post. You are simply blinded by your hatred for Microsoft, and you choose to spew falsehoods just to validate your little version of reality.
FIRST, you are wrong in saying that IE does not support HTML 5. You would be correct in saying that IE 6, the version that Chrome Frame seeks to extend, does not support HTML 5. BUT, IE 8 does have support for HTML 5.
SECOND, HTML 5 is nowhere near to being a W3 standard. It is many years from being that. If you read that page you linked to, you would see that HTML 5 is still a W3 DRAFT. That does not mean STANDARD.
You MUST check your facts before you continue infecting the internet with idiot comments such as the one you just made. You're just another Google Bitch who gets a wet dream every time Google releases something. I say good luck to Google getting a lot of people on board with a feature that excludes a lot of web users. If the same people won't finally upgrade IE 6 to IE 8, they certainly won't add Chrome Frame to IE 6.

00Davo · 3 weeks ago

Sorry, I fail to understand how IE 8 in any way actually supports HTML5 properly, given that it doesn't load HTML5 pages.

HTML5 is an official W3... let's call it a "thingy"... which is supported in every browser except for IE. It's supported by most browsers, therefore it's the standard. It's not a "standard", but it's the standard.

The point still stands that Chrome Frame enables the only browser that doesn't work with HTML5 to work with HTML5.

bob · 3 weeks ago

No asshole it's a DRAFT, not a standard. Unlike you, I know the difference between the two "thingys". Just because it's supported by most browsers does not make it a W3 STANDARD as you stated in your original post.

00Davo · 3 weeks ago

Please, stop flaming me. In my previous comment, I stated that HTML5 is not a standard by the W3 sense of the word. I know that it's a W3 draft.

My actual point, which seems to have been ignored in the torrent of flaming over whether HTML5 is officially a standard or not, is that Wave works in every browser except for IE, and not just Google's browser - it's not the same as saying "Hey, our page needs ActiveX so you gotta use IE!"

Not only is Wave supported on every good browser, but Google provide a plugin to allow even the poor IE users to still access Wave. This is not at all monopolistic.

davidbunker · 3 weeks ago

This is good news. I try to inform all of customers to switch to anything except Internet Explorer. I truly have nothing good to say about that browser. Bring up a small point if you like, but as a developer it's the only browser I ever have to fight with. Don't get me wrong, they all have their quirks (even Firefox), but at the end of the day I don't end up searching "please kill internet explorer" in a search bar and pulling up THIS article lol. I run a small site http://www.zurchers.com and just today I had a woman who was having problems call and I walked her through the install of Firefox. She called me back a few hours later just to tell me who much faster her "internet connection" was. She'd never even heard of Firefox. Everyone should spread the word and get people away from this horrible excuse for a browser.

bob · 3 weeks ago

That's no surprise since your website is far from validating: http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http%3A%2F%2F...
Maybe if you actually wrote good HTML your clients wouldn't need to go through the trouble of changing browsers.

davidbunker · 3 weeks ago

You know Bob, by calling another user an "asshole" you discredit you and what you have said. Your comments are childish Microsoft love rather than calm calculated arguments that others can respect.

You also pointed out that zurchers.com is not validating, and you know what? You're 100% correct. I took over the management of the site about 2 months ago with specific instruction from the owner to simply increase sales, but NOT touch the site other than what was absolutely necessary to increase sales. The site was raking in sales before the old webmaster told them he'd bring it out of a table based model to a "standards compliant" div and css based site. As you can see a subpar job was done at best. I long for the day to scrap that site and give them a new one, but sales, security, and SEO are first priority at this point.

Also, I did NOT say that the woman was having problems with MY site. Now, I've had to implement a few hacks since I've been here and I've cleaned up a LOT of very bad code, but the Zurchers site performs flawlessly in all browsers except IE6 which the company dropped supporting before I took over. It's not perfect, but it's what I have to do for now. The woman who called in is a long time customer and as a side note expressed that her internet window kept crashing. (hmm . . . just one of the joyous features of your beloved IE),. My first question? "Are you running Internet Explorer?" Her response? "What is that?" So after explaining that there was another kind of way to view the internet, I walked her through the install. I would bet good money she'll never go back. Who would, unless they are stuck on some corporate network?

I can't believe you even defend that horrible excuse for a browser. Your points about it not being HTML5 standard? So what? It's not up to par with the rest of the world. What a joke. Use any of the other browsers please. I don't know of anyone who has ever switched to Firefox (or even the others) that would ever switch back. Keep your flame comments to yourself while the rest of us jump for joy at any attempt to get rid of this lame sorry excuse for a browser. Long live Firefox.