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Re: FIGHT: Palm Pre Restores iTunes Sync, Defies Apple and USB Forum

David Curtis — Sat, 10 Oct 2009 18:43:11 -0000

The fact of the matter is I don't care about the little legal battle going on. When I own something especially if I invested money in it, I feel obligated to do whatever I like with it, that includes using the software and my own devices.

If it is on my machine, I expect it to play nice with my other devices. iTunes already monopoloizes the music I play on it so the least apple should do is allow the music to be transferable to devices that I would like my music on. If they don't like it, it should stop hiding the music and only allowing it to be Burned to disc while iTunes is installed, which is the big problem here.

Re: FIGHT: Palm Pre Restores iTunes Sync, Defies Apple and USB Forum

zang74 — Mon, 05 Oct 2009 12:45:25 -0000

@brandonhess

Then please, show me the exact laws Apple has broken.

Re: FIGHT: Palm Pre Restores iTunes Sync, Defies Apple and USB Forum

Geoff B. — Mon, 05 Oct 2009 12:23:40 -0000

So, uh, how many Pre owners have you talked to?

I own one and ALL of the Pre owners that I know use it to listen to music.

Re: FIGHT: Palm Pre Restores iTunes Sync, Defies Apple and USB Forum

brandonheff — Mon, 05 Oct 2009 12:07:36 -0000

@Zang74 The assumption that someone isn't violating the law merely because they're not in court is crazy naive.

Re: FIGHT: Palm Pre Restores iTunes Sync, Defies Apple and USB Forum

James Katt — Mon, 05 Oct 2009 09:36:21 -0000

Apple already works with anyone to enable synching with iTunes. Apple makes all of the iTunes data public. This was used by RIM, for example, to create their own Synching software with iTunes. This is the correct way to both comply with the USB regulatory body and Apple.

But Palm sucks. They are TOO LAZY to create their own synch software using open standards and open data standards as made available by Apple. DUH. The USB Standards body should SUE PALM for misuse of the USB standard.

Re: FIGHT: Palm Pre Restores iTunes Sync, Defies Apple and USB Forum

Interpretivist — Mon, 05 Oct 2009 09:14:23 -0000

I'm a strong believer in the remix. Palm has demonstrated exactly that by innovating and attaching itself to iTunes. Given that Apple is a company that's founded and built on remix culture, it only makes sense of Apple to allow Palm to sync. I highly doubt it will in any noticeable way affect apple's sales. If anything it will do Apple some good.

Re: FIGHT: Palm Pre Restores iTunes Sync, Defies Apple and USB Forum

Mon, 05 Oct 2009 01:27:01 -0000

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Re: FIGHT: Palm Pre Restores iTunes Sync, Defies Apple and USB Forum

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Re: FIGHT: Palm Pre Restores iTunes Sync, Defies Apple and USB Forum

zang74 — Mon, 05 Oct 2009 00:20:38 -0000

@Richard

I didn't say Apple didn't have a monopoly. I said that monopolies are not illegal, and that Apple doesn't stifle competition against iTunes. Making you connect to iTunes is not illegal. It's Apple's syncing application for iPod owners. Making you enter a credit card as validation is not illegal either (and by the way, one can create an iTunes account with a pre-paid iTunes card or a PayPal account, too). While I don't agree with every practice in their App Store, approval of apps synced *via their iTunes software*, is their prerogative. Don't like it, jailbreak it.

Regardless, explain to me how this is anti-competitive? Why, as a manufacturer, should Apple be forced to allow—in their *own store*—an application which hijacks primary functions of the phone? That's about as ridiculous as saying Microsoft needs to be forced to sell an app on the Xbox Marketplace that turns a 360 into a fully functioning Wii. Fair competition does not mean opening your front door and making dinner for the people you compete against. In the eyes of the law, it's not anti-competitive of Apple to say no. It would be anti-competitive were Apple to block Safari on the iPhone/iPod from accessing the Amazon MP3 store, but they're not doing that, are they. It's Apple's store. They can sell whatever the hell they want to in it. Just because a very vocal anti-Apple crowd likes to call foul on most of what the company does, doesn't mean its actions are truly illegal, immoral or anti-competitive.

And please, don't patronize me by bringing up the Microsoft antitrust violations. A) It's not a fair comparison, and B) Microsoft is in a state of penalization based on all of its long list of anti-competitive actions 'til this point. Buying out companies simply to quash their competing products, forcing users to use their browser by making it inseparable from the OS, and making anti-competitive agreements with manufacturers which penalize them for *not* installing Windows on new PCs are a far cry from your idea of forcing them to sell their competitor's product.

Re: FIGHT: Palm Pre Restores iTunes Sync, Defies Apple and USB Forum

guan — Sun, 04 Oct 2009 23:38:24 -0000

http://bit.ly/3FI9Ta - EPIC fail on Palm's part

Re: FIGHT: Palm Pre Restores iTunes Sync, Defies Apple and USB Forum

Richard — Sun, 04 Oct 2009 22:47:32 -0000

@zang74

Actually they do have a monopoly and they are using it to stifle competition. iPod = 95% of the MP3 market. I got an iPod touch. Before it would do anything, it made me connect it to iTunes. And then it made me give a credit card number to download FREE apps and use Genius. Also, iTunes was bundled with my iPod, and guess what? Apple won't approve any app on its OS that allows the purchase of music, because it "replicates included features". Not stifling of competition, eh?

Microsoft also has something like 95% of the OS market. When it tried to bundle Windows Media Player, it was smashed down by the EU. If Microsoft can't use it's dominance one market (OS) to promote it's music store, why should Apple?

Off-topic: I also have people who call Microsoft Micro$soft. It's a company. Of course it makes money. And guess what? So does Apple.

Re: FIGHT: Palm Pre Restores iTunes Sync, Defies Apple and USB Forum

JD — Sun, 04 Oct 2009 20:38:55 -0000

Quit. Hey Palm, why not try innovation? Create your own cool music application. Or buy one like Apple did with SoundJam. Apple just made SoundJam way cooler. More cool than the SoundJam people could have ever done.

Innovate!

Re: FIGHT: Palm Pre Restores iTunes Sync, Defies Apple and USB Forum

jawey — Sun, 04 Oct 2009 19:39:53 -0000

If I can sync the music I download using bit-torents with my Pre than Apple can just go and fuck itself.

Re: FIGHT: Palm Pre Restores iTunes Sync, Defies Apple and USB Forum

Matt Johnson — Sun, 04 Oct 2009 18:36:52 -0000

In the past few years the top technology companies have been trying to stampe anyone trying to step over their turfs. Google Orkut turning off Contact Export, Wave having an engine for IE, Microsoft asking you to download a small software to make your default home page to bing.com AND prevent any other 3rd party service provider to mingle with it. Apple blocking out Palm Pre syncing.... it is now getting to the survival of the fittest... and I'm thoroughly getting excited about the wit of some of these folks as they do it.

Re: FIGHT: Palm Pre Restores iTunes Sync, Defies Apple and USB Forum

BoyBunny — Sun, 04 Oct 2009 16:49:54 -0000

zpjet

Get your tongue out of Steve Jobs sphincter. I have purchased FIVE macs since 2001 and they all sucked. They all used lock in to the detriment of the users. I personally will never buy another product with an apple logo on it.

Steve did NOT come up with the idea of DRM free. He bent to pressure from vocal people online like myself who told Apple that they were a crappy company that was just as evil as Microsoft... in fact, in recent years, more so.

And claiming that people have the choice of moving files, you really have no clue about your average user. They don't understand directories and files. A situation that was created BY APPLE with the dumbing down of the file handling with set directories for each file type, and background management of the files that the user never has control of.

Re: FIGHT: Palm Pre Restores iTunes Sync, Defies Apple and USB Forum

Omar Mohamad Chatah — Sun, 04 Oct 2009 14:23:54 -0000

this is ridiculous!

Palm should instead develop the open source platform SONGBIRD (which is not quite up to par with iTunes at this stage) and promote an OPEN platform for all digital media.

Pros:
1. Not violate USB-IF requirements
2. Promote open-source software and compatibility
3. Long-term will break stranglehold of iTunes on digital media
4. Provide greater sources of legally purchasable digital media

Cons:
1. Takes more effort than spoofing a USB identifier

Come on Palm... show us how much you "get it"....

Re: FIGHT: Palm Pre Restores iTunes Sync, Defies Apple and USB Forum

MrBillyWhite — Sun, 04 Oct 2009 14:13:11 -0000

I know that none of this is going to be in Apple's best interests, but for users, allowing iTunes support is fantastic. Hopefully this time it will stay, and then maybe this will pave the way for other mobile devices to allow sync via iTunes (ie, S60 and Android phones)

Re: FIGHT: Palm Pre Restores iTunes Sync, Defies Apple and USB Forum

zang74 — Sun, 04 Oct 2009 13:31:26 -0000

Monopolies—despite what some people may think—are not illegal in the US.

What *is* illegal is using a monopolistic position to crush competition, which is not the case here. Apple has not used its clout to smash down other online music stores. It doesn't stop even iPod users from using other music stores or iPod management software. It even makes the iTunes database available to any and all apps that want to use it. iTunes music is no longer even DRMed, allowing other players that support AAC (Sony, Zune) to listen to iTunes-bought tracks. iTunes uses—OMFG get this—sales and an easy-to-use front end to achieve its market dominance! How dare they!

Re: FIGHT: Palm Pre Restores iTunes Sync, Defies Apple and USB Forum

Name — Sun, 04 Oct 2009 13:25:23 -0000

Palm should give it up. Thats just gotta be frustrating for their users... it works, it doesnt, it works it doesnt... Thats ridiculous.

Re: FIGHT: Palm Pre Restores iTunes Sync, Defies Apple and USB Forum

LensLord — Sun, 04 Oct 2009 12:53:13 -0000

Palm is in the wrong, and will eventually lose. … But they are in survival mode, the iPhone has run away with all their customers, and they are doing everything they can to bring them back. It is a loosing battle, the company is doomed.

Re: FIGHT: Palm Pre Restores iTunes Sync, Defies Apple and USB Forum

Trent Ryan — Sun, 04 Oct 2009 12:52:28 -0000

Have you even ever used the pre?

Re: FIGHT: Palm Pre Restores iTunes Sync, Defies Apple and USB Forum

Trent Ryan — Sun, 04 Oct 2009 12:42:42 -0000

Because itunes and the ipod have a monopoly.

Re: FIGHT: Palm Pre Restores iTunes Sync, Defies Apple and USB Forum

Adrian — Sun, 04 Oct 2009 12:11:01 -0000

XML data file in the itunes folder allows third party vendors like RIM to develop applications that can access the itunes folder and sync it to their device. I Think Apple even provides documentation on it so there's no trapping involved. Palm are just lazy.

Re: FIGHT: Palm Pre Restores iTunes Sync, Defies Apple and USB Forum

SEP — Sun, 04 Oct 2009 12:00:52 -0000

Um, the Pre is NOT a DIRECT iphone competitor. One phone is GSM one isn't. It is a bit distasteful as a market leader that Apple continues to block devices from making an all-inclusive connection to its software, especially for a company that not that long ago was a bastard son of the tech realm. They're far from emulating Microsoft, but they seem to be catching up as a regime. I cant believe there are people who BUY music online any way... and a USB quality standards group siding with the fiscally fit firm is absolutely no surprise to me. I think Palm should keep up the fight, Apple is getting a bit too comfy.

Re: FIGHT: Palm Pre Restores iTunes Sync, Defies Apple and USB Forum

Name — Sun, 04 Oct 2009 11:37:04 -0000

A little more factual commenting, a little less Ayn Rand.

On an offnote, it's amazing how sheeple-esque the Ayn Randers are.