Google Wave is promising. It's a platform for some serious business.
Facebook, on the other hand, is a social networking site.
BrianJoslyn
· 2 months ago
You have it much closer, if not right on, than any comment thus far down!
crvenk
· 2 months ago
Brian - That's a good one. Spot on. LOL
Ian Hendry
· 2 months ago
True to a degree, although with Facebook Connect they are working towards providing us all with a "social identity" and gluing the Social Web together, making us want/need to sign in to Facebook first to see what those we know are up to across the web; reading through our feed of activity from our contacts both on and away from Facebook.
It would be very powerful if Facebook made use of Wave technology and would do a great deal to help uptake. Certainly if they plan to extend their mail features then something like Wave is what they should be doing.
But does Zuckeberg really want to help Google get an advantage at the same time?
I;ve been playing in the sandbox for a week now, you can integrate everything already through the gadgets developed, like emaily and twitbot. When wave is public release I will put a wave feed into my facebook account and anybody will be able to interact with it. As they will also on my web pages and blog. It's just like adding any other gadget. Facebook doesn't need to do anything. My view is let facebook users log into the wave client and google accounts with their facebook login and you already have total synergy, you will already be able to decide whether you want your waves on you facebook or your facebook on your waves.
Rakesh Waghela @Webiyo
· 2 months ago
"the people trying Wave right now and complaining about how noisy and how much of a time-sink it is, are generally from Generation X or Generation Y (i.e., they were born in the late-60s to mid-80s)."
LOL
Above statement only proves the immaturity of the author despite having good analytical thinking!
We can not COMPARE Current Wave and facebook. Wave is NOT even in BETA yet !
redwall_hp
· 2 months ago
There's no sense in Facebook "cloning" Google Wave. Wave is a standard meant to supplant email, not just an end-user service. If Facebook wants to go that route, they should just set up their own Wave servers and create their own front-end client.
Wave will only work properly if it's adopted in a widespread manner, becoming as ubiquitous of a standard as email. Otherwise we'll be in the same mess as we've been in with Instant Messaging protocols for the past decade...
Hugh Isaacs II
· 2 months ago
I agree.
In the end though, I could see Facebook adding Wave support somewhere along the line. Maybe by allowing use of the site from a Wave extension or Bot.
But it'll only happen if Wave jumps the first hurdle and gains ground as a standard.
mst
· 2 months ago
Thanks, I feel like no one is paying attention to what Wave really is.
Name
· 2 months ago
Exactly.... Just because you can doesn't mean you should.
Name
· 2 months ago
I agree, Facebook doesn't need to "steal" Wave, as it is free for them to use as is. I would like to see a Facebook-Wave {called Face-Wave or Wave-book ;)} Client, the main reason being is that I would than only need to visit the one website for all my on line communication needs. (Email, Social networking, IM ...) This is what Wave has been design for.
As a sub comment, I would love to see wave implemented into these website comment boards (and forums) that we are using now. So I can post a comment (on a wave), and when other add to it is can see the updates in the Wave Client. Which would save use all a lot of time and make these comment boards more dynamic! Here's to hoping!
Kyle
· 1 month ago
From what I've seen, I could see this as being a "Facebook 3.0" type deal. I don't know what would have to be reworked on the back-end (probably a lot) but on the front-end I would imagine there would be minimal changes needed. Then again, I'm saying this not really having any first hand experience with Wave.
John E. Bredehoft (Empoprises)
· 2 months ago
Interesting observation on the possible receptiveness of younger users to a Wave-like interface. However, since 60% of Facebook's users are NOT in the 13-25 age group, any Facebook implementation would need to be opt-in. Facebook users are notorious for short-term livid reactions to any change, so perhaps an optional "Facebook NOW!" view could be targeted for certain audiences only.
Lumi
· 2 months ago
Agreed, but I don't think they would do it anytime soon - perhaps a new SNS like FB or myspace will pop up utilizing it
Benjamin Dobson
· 2 months ago
I'm confused. The Wave interface is open-source, and in abstract it's an open protocol, so why would they need to build their own version rather than build upon Google's work? They could also write their own interface using the Wave protocol (modified?).
Facebook already has the option to send out email notifications. So if they used the Wave protocol, you could interact with your Facebook interface via proxy using your central Wave account.
tim
· 2 months ago
It is sooo frustrating to be reading about Google wave all the time without being able to try it!! I was told that every invite comes with 8 invites though, IS IT TRUE??? If it were the case it means that within 6 weeks about all internet users should have received at least one invite, according to this very simple mathematic model.
Could anyone tell me whether google invites come with 8 invites, less, more or NO INVITE at all?? Thank you for your answers!!
Brad F.
· 2 months ago
I know a guy that got an invite and said he had "7 left". So it seems reasonable to assume he had 8 to start with. Luckily he gave one of those 7 to me, but I haven't received anything from Google yet. I think it's just a nomination that puts you at the top of the list for the next roll-out of invites.
Kevin Whalen
· 2 months ago
Wave is a protocol. Facebook will not be the only service that integrates it.
Anthony Romano
· 2 months ago
That's quite the rewriting of history. Not only did Facebook NOT steal the idea of activity streams from Friendfeed, but Facebook actually invented the whole damn thing in the first place.
When Facebook came out with the news feed Friendfeed didn't even exist yet. After Facebook's new feed came out, a plethora of sites popped up that mimicked it except for the open web (vs Facebooks feed which at the time was just internal). I would know, I started one of those sites, but there were well over a dozen life streaming sites well before friendfeed came into the picture. Furthermore, by the time Friendfeed did make its way out, Facebook has already implemented the "importing" of outside activity.
Facebook certainly borrowed a lot from a lot of people, but I'm not even sure activity streams would be where they are right now if it wasn't for the innovation that was the Facebook news feed.
Josh Catone
· 1 month ago
The news feed (what you're doing on the site) an activity streams (what you're doing on OTHER sites) are not the same thing. FriendFeed did lifestreaming before Facebook. You'll notice I specifically said "updates from outside sites."
To quote Sean Ammirati at ReadWriteWeb in the article I linked to above (dated Feb. 27, 2008):
"We've discussed before the increasing importance that social networks are placing on feeds. In a previous post, we gave Facebook credit for introducing the paradigm with their News Feed.
While Facebook certainly led the adoption of this 'feed paradigm' in social networks, in the area of integrating external web services, Facebook clearly has lagged. Startups like Plaxo Pulse, FriendFeed, and Iminta are integrating content streams from other services and Facebook may well be doing this to compete with those offerings. "
Akmal Fikri
· 2 months ago
Why facebook should not clone google wave?
Here's some hints : you cannot do everything yourself. Facebook is one of the largest social network in the world. In the past, MySpace was a hit and so do Tagged and Friendster. Myspace was a hit but because of the network wanted to do just about everything, it goes down the drain. People getting sick of Myspace eventually and this could happen to facebook too, if they also wanted to do what they see 'cool'. But because of this, they maybe jumped into a bigger role, and facebook shouldn't jump. Let the others make their move. If you really trust where your product can go, you shouldn't copy others. You should create one.
Chris Desouza
· 2 months ago
There we go again. We treat every new app/service as a platform for social networking. GW is much bigger than that.
BrianJoslyn
· 2 months ago
A LOT of you need help! Do you even know the real truth!? Got to http://wave.google.com and watch the 1h 20m 11s video they made.
Wave's bots mean integration with fb could be on an equal footing; it would just leave it up to you which you regard as primary means of interaction.
More to the point, I think, is the question of how fast Facebook could come up with an "official" implementation, given how long it took them to get their finger out with Android, for example.
jstratford
· 2 months ago
I always have to laugh when I read about people wondering is Facebook going to kill email. As an avid user of Facebook the feature I dislike is there communication system. It isn't remotely a replacement and it has a small place in the world of social networking for me. But it's a great part in that it's enjoyable, brings consistent opportunities to connect, and great entertainment as well.
As far as the Title " Should Facebook Clone Google Wave?" I don't believe it's ever a good idea to clone, but to take ideas away and customize them to your platform is yet another thing. Google wave could end up being a fad or it could survive and gain market share quickly. Though my invite hasn't come in and I'm still ill informed on Google Wave at least experientially it'd seem that it is a good concept, but perhaps better left to Google. The raw computing power in the infrastructure, the manpower, and the scalability could very well turn into a challenge even for Google. Remember they've been having service problems even before the formal release of Google Wave.
My Two Cents!
BrianJoslyn
· 2 months ago
The implication here is NOT FB killing email. It's Wave. Most of the comments found here are claiming as such. I don't believe email will 'die' ... at least not for some time. It's going to take some time for such a 'switch-over' to occur.
mattrs
· 2 months ago
Wave=exclusive=fail
Facebook=open=success
Hugh Isaacs II
· 2 months ago
Wave is an open protocol.
Facebook is closed.
BrianJoslyn
· 2 months ago
I like your point-of-view!
Benjamin Dobson
· 2 months ago
…?
mattrs
· 2 months ago
Facebook is open for participation. Wave is not. Why should I use Wave when nobody else can use it?
Benjamin Dobson
· 2 months ago
It's not going to be like this permanently. Gmail was the same and that didn't fail. More importantly, mobile phone coverage had to start somewhere, but it still got off the ground to become ubiquitous in the western world.
mattrs
· 2 months ago
True, but with Gmail we can send an email to any other email address and mobile phones can call any number. The ugly truth about Wave is that not everyone is going to use it. For those who do not use Wave, you'll still have to send them an email.
Benjamin Dobson
· 2 months ago
And with Wave we can still send messages to any other Wave address…just like the other examples you mentioned. Plus, because of the API, there will probably be a plugin (or whatever they're called) to have email conversations from the Wave interface.
People have been juggling communication tools for a long time. There are people who never check their email; you get to know this and phone them or send them a letter. Sometimes you don't have someone's phone number, so you send them a message on Facebook. Wave doesn't change this.
mattrs
· 2 months ago
Oh, and Zenbe already did this with Shareflow....and you don't need an invite to use it.
uesire
· 2 months ago
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fb attach
· 2 months ago
facebook inbox doesn't allow attach photo from existing albums.. You can attach photo only from uploading or by web cam.. this should be fixed
Also add one more recipient + button is missing in message thread.. we have to type all friends all over again in new thread :(
fb attach
· 2 months ago
adding + button should spur multipeople threads, currently fb messages are predominantly between 2 people..
Name
· 2 months ago
Is facebook down...? No updates for quite some time
lagspike
· 2 months ago
it's a good idea, and they should do it, but i don't see it happening, or they'll do it in a couple of years when it's like how myspace now. hah, for a moment i thought you were referring to e-mail as a meme.
kenwooi
· 2 months ago
interesting.. well.. i think facebook should explore and see the opportunities.. =)
Serena Chen
· 2 months ago
Great article. Would be interesting to see how this effects communication 10 years from now.
Neeta Bas
· 2 months ago
Good applications will always find space for them. If Google wave has something in it then it would definitely go places.
Seif Sallam
· 2 months ago
Facebook should take Wave just as a start and make something better out of it, and this will only happen after Google Wave is out of labs. also see what extensions people made and if there is something good the can put it as core feature.
mrshl
· 2 months ago
Wait, Facebook introduced their news feed and mini-feed before FriendFeed. It was, if I remember correctly, Friendfeed who expanded and perhaps perfected Facebook's idea.
Not sure why people continue to suggest it was the other way around.
Rahul Krishnakumar
· 2 months ago
Good Read. Another interesting fact going for facebook is the acquisition of Friendfeed and the team. Paul Buchheit who envisioned Gmail now works at facebook because of the Friendfeed acquisition and it would not be surprising at all to see Wave-like features in Facebook's internal messaging system using Buchheit's and the Friendfeed team's talents.
jimcalabrese
· 2 months ago
I'd rather Google go after Facebook's territory. All they need is a wrapper to tie all their products together. Will it be Wave? or iGoogle? or something else? Either way, Google's products are superior to every FB function: Gmail vs FB Inbox Picasa & Picasa Web with tagging AND facial recognition vs. FB's resolution limited albums. Google Talk vs. FB chat Google Profiles vs. FB info tab Add Blogger, YouTube, Maps, Voice, Calendar to the mix and you've got a helluva social network.
Renante Rondina II
· 2 months ago
insightful post... but couldn't one also wonder: Google using Wave as their segue into the social networking industry?
either way, Wave and wave-like communications will only be able to finally "kill e-mail" once younger and technologically ambivalent people start adopting it... it's just gonna be a race of whether Google or Facebook gets there first
Mark Crowley
· 2 months ago
good point here, if Facebook is smart they will steal some of wave's ideas before they take hold. I don't think they'll have much time but the 300 million facebook users aren't going to start using wave right away anyways.
Michael Waddell
· 2 months ago
I completely agree. The parts of Facebook that need the *most* improvement are the inbox and chat. If facebook could leverage the new Google Wave technology to replace/integrate their inbox and chat and continue to integrate friendfeed's technology into their news feed (including the incredibly useful "imaginary friend" feature), they could become serious competition for Gmail and Greader...
I can't wait to start using Google Wave for my Team Projects at school. Google docs is great but I think Google Wave will be even better
Brad F.
· 2 months ago
A little unrelated but is Google Wave compatible with traditional e-mail? What I mean is, does it have an address that a GMail or HotMail user can put in their "To:" field and send me an e-mail that I can receive in Wave? I want to know if this can totally replace my e-mail inbox or is it going to be one more place that I have to visit every day to check for new messages.
Google Waver
· 2 months ago
There are still some Google Wave invites being shared here:
Can't the rival companies stay friends and somehow merge the two systems rather than compete? All competing does in social media is create small boundaries between people?
redapple
· 2 months ago
wave isnt jet avaible for masses, so how and why facebook should clone it? to piss people?
Google wave invites
· 2 months ago
Very interesting article. Facebook wave could be real, who knows. For updated news of google wave invites please visit http://www.google-wave-invites.com/ It offers news from most reliable sources. As you can see from the site it is following head google engineer and product manager's twitter. So, do not go dropping your emails to spambots, you will not get invites that way. Read more then you will understand. Thanks admin for writing this article.
mayooresan
· 2 months ago
Intersting article. Its so obvious that Facebook gonna clone Wave in near future. btw still I'm looknig for an invite for Google Wave.. anyone got one, please do share with me at mayu3g AT gmail.com
vanessahollingshead
· 2 months ago
Yes, that is true. But what happens when facebook disables you for NO reason. And there is no live person to help. This is awful. And I am not a spammer. I am a comic. My crime: I created a fan page, and too many people signed up?
GECA
· 2 months ago
Facebook would never be so innovative. They even limit their internal chat so that is so contra WAVE. Wave is communication and expression in real time. If facebook can't control it, they will not allow it.
IE: "YOU HAVE EXCEEDED THE LIMIT FOR SENDING CHAT MESSAGES!
You are temporarily blocked from sending chat messages. Block times may vary depending on the feature and scale of abuse. Blocks cannot be lifted.
Misuse of Facebook's features may result in your account being disabled."
Name
· 1 month ago
Already in the works, maybe even beyond what Google Wave does: lookup RockMelt
Charles
· 1 month ago
Hey, you're wrong. Google wave isn't open source.
Google plan to release open source part of google wave, which is specified too make it easy for developer to integration with wave-protocol, for third party client and/or other software integration.
This doesn't sound like open source to me... yeah, there will be third party client and facebook apps integrating google-wave, but still... you're data will stay in google database.
John Lessnau
· 1 month ago
You have it backwards. Wave is a clone of Facebook, just with more features. Facebook thrives on being simple enough so 12 year old school girls (and adults that act like them) can gossip with their friends.
Why is everyone thinking facebook should take wave....It should be the other way around. If your contact status on google wave was a wave viewable by a certain group of contacts...then Bam - facewave. You could have several...One for friends and one for work. Then you could view your contact panel alphabetically, by latest wave status update, etc. That's 95% of facebook.
Facebook has a terrible email interface. Wave integrates all these different communications so nicely.
Once your contact info page is integrated with Picasa...That's a wrap folks.
z-maztah
· 13 hours ago
I got my Google Wave Account, err Accounts.
I guess Facebook might have to overhaul its technical underpinnings to mimic Google's Wave. Essentially, one googlewave account makes for a dynamic number of waves = one Facebook account. Gwave allows for an intuitive and graphical compartmentalization of security/data information by empowering users to create multiple waves. Facebook on the other hand, in its revamped Privacy Settings only allowed for a maximum of four (4) settings; and users have to have that for every piece of digital info. That's so cumbersome and tedious.
Say like if in a social networking site I have some 300+ friends and I wanted to have a "closed" birthday party by having dine-out with 5 of my family members and 10 of my closest friends. And I have some 10 digital pieces of info that i wanted to post for all the 15 of them.
In Facebook that number of steps to do that would be 15 x 10 = 150 steps. In Google Wave, I only have to do it 15 + 10 = 25 steps.
The only thing I don't like about Google Wave right now is responsiveness (maybe overwhelmed by load of users) and I only have 8 invites available. Darn! I just have to wait for more in order to drag my friends. But I am pretty sure that with its technical superiority, intuitive design, and Google's financial muscle, wave will make tsunamis, and some boats in the seas would have to muster their strength to survive this huge phenomenon!
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Facebook, on the other hand, is a social networking site.
It would be very powerful if Facebook made use of Wave technology and would do a great deal to help uptake. Certainly if they plan to extend their mail features then something like Wave is what they should be doing.
But does Zuckeberg really want to help Google get an advantage at the same time?
Ian Hendry
CEO, WeCanDo.BIZ
http://www.wecando.biz
LOL
Above statement only proves the immaturity of the author despite having good analytical thinking!
We can not COMPARE Current Wave and facebook. Wave is NOT even in BETA yet !
Wave will only work properly if it's adopted in a widespread manner, becoming as ubiquitous of a standard as email. Otherwise we'll be in the same mess as we've been in with Instant Messaging protocols for the past decade...
In the end though, I could see Facebook adding Wave support somewhere along the line. Maybe by allowing use of the site from a Wave extension or Bot.
But it'll only happen if Wave jumps the first hurdle and gains ground as a standard.
Just because you can doesn't mean you should.
As a sub comment, I would love to see wave implemented into these website comment boards (and forums) that we are using now. So I can post a comment (on a wave), and when other add to it is can see the updates in the Wave Client. Which would save use all a lot of time and make these comment boards more dynamic! Here's to hoping!
Facebook already has the option to send out email notifications. So if they used the Wave protocol, you could interact with your Facebook interface via proxy using your central Wave account.
100 000 * 8 = 800 000 users 1st week --> Today
800 000 * 8 = 640 000 users 2nd week
640 000 * 8 = 5 120 000 users 3rd week
5 120 000 * 8= 40 960 000 users 4th week
40 960 000 * 8= 327 000 000 users 5th week
More than 1 billion in 6 weeks ...
Could anyone tell me whether google invites come with 8 invites, less, more or NO INVITE at all?? Thank you for your answers!!
When Facebook came out with the news feed Friendfeed didn't even exist yet. After Facebook's new feed came out, a plethora of sites popped up that mimicked it except for the open web (vs Facebooks feed which at the time was just internal). I would know, I started one of those sites, but there were well over a dozen life streaming sites well before friendfeed came into the picture. Furthermore, by the time Friendfeed did make its way out, Facebook has already implemented the "importing" of outside activity.
Facebook certainly borrowed a lot from a lot of people, but I'm not even sure activity streams would be where they are right now if it wasn't for the innovation that was the Facebook news feed.
FYI, Facebook launched outside services in in the news feed in 2008: http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/facebook_o...
FriendFeed launched in Oct. 2007.
To quote Sean Ammirati at ReadWriteWeb in the article I linked to above (dated Feb. 27, 2008):
"We've discussed before the increasing importance that social networks are placing on feeds. In a previous post, we gave Facebook credit for introducing the paradigm with their News Feed.
While Facebook certainly led the adoption of this 'feed paradigm' in social networks, in the area of integrating external web services, Facebook clearly has lagged. Startups like Plaxo Pulse, FriendFeed, and Iminta are integrating content streams from other services and Facebook may well be doing this to compete with those offerings. "
Here's some hints : you cannot do everything yourself.
Facebook is one of the largest social network in the world. In the past, MySpace was a hit and so do Tagged and Friendster. Myspace was a hit but because of the network wanted to do just about everything, it goes down the drain. People getting sick of Myspace eventually and this could happen to facebook too, if they also wanted to do what they see 'cool'. But because of this, they maybe jumped into a bigger role, and facebook shouldn't jump. Let the others make their move. If you really trust where your product can go, you shouldn't copy others. You should create one.
Do you even know the real truth!?
Got to http://wave.google.com and watch the 1h 20m 11s video they made.
More to the point, I think, is the question of how fast Facebook could come up with an "official" implementation, given how long it took them to get their finger out with Android, for example.
As far as the Title " Should Facebook Clone Google Wave?" I don't believe it's ever a good idea to clone, but to take ideas away and customize them to your platform is yet another thing. Google wave could end up being a fad or it could survive and gain market share quickly. Though my invite hasn't come in and I'm still ill informed on Google Wave at least experientially it'd seem that it is a good concept, but perhaps better left to Google. The raw computing power in the infrastructure, the manpower, and the scalability could very well turn into a challenge even for Google. Remember they've been having service problems even before the formal release of Google Wave.
My Two Cents!
Most of the comments found here are claiming as such.
I don't believe email will 'die' ... at least not for some time. It's going to take some time for such a 'switch-over' to occur.
Facebook=open=success
Facebook is closed.
People have been juggling communication tools for a long time. There are people who never check their email; you get to know this and phone them or send them a letter. Sometimes you don't have someone's phone number, so you send them a message on Facebook. Wave doesn't change this.
Also add one more recipient + button is missing in message thread.. we have to type all friends all over again in new thread :(
hah, for a moment i thought you were referring to e-mail as a meme.
well.. i think facebook should explore and see the opportunities.. =)
Not sure why people continue to suggest it was the other way around.
Gmail vs FB Inbox
Picasa & Picasa Web with tagging AND facial recognition vs. FB's resolution limited albums.
Google Talk vs. FB chat
Google Profiles vs. FB info tab
Add Blogger, YouTube, Maps, Voice, Calendar to the mix and you've got a helluva social network.
either way, Wave and wave-like communications will only be able to finally "kill e-mail" once younger and technologically ambivalent people start adopting it... it's just gonna be a race of whether Google or Facebook gets there first
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For updated news of google wave invites please visit
http://www.google-wave-invites.com/
It offers news from most reliable sources. As you can see from the site it is following head google engineer and product manager's twitter. So, do not go dropping your emails to spambots, you will not get invites that way. Read more then you will understand. Thanks admin for writing this article.
IE: "YOU HAVE EXCEEDED THE LIMIT FOR SENDING CHAT MESSAGES!
You are temporarily blocked from sending chat messages. Block times may vary depending on the feature and scale of abuse. Blocks cannot be lifted.
Misuse of Facebook's features may result in your account being disabled."
Google plan to release open source part of google wave, which is specified too make it easy for developer to integration with wave-protocol, for third party client and/or other software integration.
This doesn't sound like open source to me... yeah, there will be third party client and facebook apps integrating google-wave, but still... you're data will stay in google database.
Facebook has a terrible email interface. Wave integrates all these different communications so nicely.
Once your contact info page is integrated with Picasa...That's a wrap folks.
I guess Facebook might have to overhaul its technical underpinnings to mimic Google's Wave. Essentially, one googlewave account makes for a dynamic number of waves = one Facebook account. Gwave allows for an intuitive and graphical compartmentalization of security/data information by empowering users to create multiple waves. Facebook on the other hand, in its revamped Privacy Settings only allowed for a maximum of four (4) settings; and users have to have that for every piece of digital info. That's so cumbersome and tedious.
Say like if in a social networking site I have some 300+ friends and I wanted to have a "closed" birthday party by having dine-out with 5 of my family members and 10 of my closest friends. And I have some 10 digital pieces of info that i wanted to post for all the 15 of them.
In Facebook that number of steps to do that would be 15 x 10 = 150 steps. In Google Wave, I only have to do it 15 + 10 = 25 steps.
The only thing I don't like about Google Wave right now is responsiveness (maybe overwhelmed by load of users) and I only have 8 invites available. Darn! I just have to wait for more in order to drag my friends. But I am pretty sure that with its technical superiority, intuitive design, and Google's financial muscle, wave will make tsunamis, and some boats in the seas would have to muster their strength to survive this huge phenomenon!