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Re: Facebook Responds to Concerns Over Terms of Service

Alkatraz — Thu, 26 Feb 2009 19:40:57 -0000

“trust us, we won’t do anything bad.”

This is a horrible way to conduct business. So in response to that quote, "Fuck You!" with that "Fuck You!" comes one of two reactions, 1) You laugh or 2). You get mad and start using people shit against them.

So to whoever owns Facebook, here's a nice, ice cold can of "Fuck You for you to drink.

But on another note, Thank you for the opportunity for me to reconnect with some old friends whom I would never reconnect with unless I move thousands of miles away to their hometowns.

Re: Facebook Responds to Concerns Over Terms of Service

Sara — Fri, 20 Feb 2009 04:05:22 -0000

Zuckerberg is being at best disingenuous and at worst a liar. Simple everyday scripts can be employed that delete all user content from a server when an account is canceled. There really is no need for Facebook to work this way, unless they have an ulterior motive..

Re: Facebook Responds to Concerns Over Terms of Service

Tom H. C. Anderson — Thu, 19 Feb 2009 14:35:12 -0000

Agree with the reaction to the new TOS, but felt the response by Zuckenberg was good. I posted about it on my blog yesterday, along with some tips for Facebook and other companies who may be involved in managing CGM. We've done a lot of work in this area, and these companies need to learn to trust their user community a bit more, if they do they can even be leveraged to keep moderation costs down etc.

Post here: http://www.tomhcanderson.co...

Tom H. C. Anderson
Managing Partner
Anderson Analytics, LLC

Re: Facebook Responds to Concerns Over Terms of Service

stazy — Thu, 19 Feb 2009 06:25:13 -0000

I think one of the key points that was missed by Facebook is making people really aware that the terms have changed even to the extent that they have people agree again, like many other services do. At least this would give people a chance to remove information if they did not want to give it forever to facebook, maybe not updates and such but pictures and videoâ€™s

Re: Facebook Responds to Concerns Over Terms of Service

DeeDee — Wed, 18 Feb 2009 22:35:40 -0000

I really haven't liked facebook since I started using twitter! All those facebook applications drive me nuts! I can't really say what I would do if I were in their shoes though about the legalities involving information posted on the site.

Re: Facebook Responds to Concerns Over Terms of Service

Mark — Wed, 18 Feb 2009 07:58:04 -0000

I don't think FB's change of service means anything to me at this point. I do not plan to place Â© material on this site with how they communicate with members.

Re: Facebook Responds to Concerns Over Terms of Service

Calli — Wed, 18 Feb 2009 04:58:18 -0000

And now where were we - terms of service resumed.......

The power of the masses - thanks to mashable and twitter

http://is.gd/jVOb

Re: Facebook Responds to Concerns Over Terms of Service

Kiwigal — Wed, 18 Feb 2009 03:21:58 -0000

Well it does nothing for me when I do not want my childrens photos being public
license. It has clarified nothing except that they want us to trust them.
Its a very hard thing to ask strangers. Yeah another comment wants to ask about
brands, good point, what about that?

Re: Facebook Responds to Concerns Over Terms of Service

Tue, 17 Feb 2009 17:50:19 -0000

What about the content previously posted?

Re: Facebook Responds to Concerns Over Terms of Service

Sergio P — Tue, 17 Feb 2009 15:26:05 -0000

The point is that by amending their TOS in such a way, they make users more weary of contributing content to FB. This means that users will write fewer updates, comments, will post fewer photos, etc. In essence, they will interact with FB less than before. Fewer interactions mean less revenue. I guess FB is OK with losing this revenue.

Re: Facebook Responds to Concerns Over Terms of Service

mandingo — Tue, 17 Feb 2009 14:20:34 -0000

Apparently nobody is really listening to what is being said, but rather reading between the lines and pulling crap out of thing air.

Re: Facebook Responds to Concerns Over Terms of Service

Leif Skoogfors — Tue, 17 Feb 2009 13:46:42 -0000

I'm a photographer too. I had a very nice collector buy a print at an auction. He was so happy about it, he posted it on his web page as his latest purchas, all with credit to me. BUT, now Facebook can claim it as theirs to use? Yes, if you read the TOS. And I can't afford to hire a lawyer to argue it if it comes to that. Bad new.

Re: Facebook Responds to Concerns Over Terms of Service

Cindi — Tue, 17 Feb 2009 13:03:13 -0000

Would it work to make all uploaded content public domain rather than property of anyone?

Re: Facebook Responds to Concerns Over Terms of Service

Mark — Tue, 17 Feb 2009 12:52:04 -0000

I gave is some thought over the evening and reread their agreement and just finished deletion of all my photos and other materials. I posted a comment on my Photos by Q wall stating that it was done in response to the new agreement and invite people to enjoy the work at the website.

This is just a total rights grab for no reason. These people cannot be that ill informed on the Â© law that their attorney does not understand. I was just starting to enjoy the connection I found with people and was actually earning work from people I was reconnecting with..but I am not going to give them the rights to my work to do as they please. That is just wrong.

This is another reason why the DMCA of 1992 needs to be revisited by Congress with people who understand both the Internet and Â©. The laws are 20 years out of date and its starting to become the wild west out here for creative professionals.

Re: Facebook Responds to Concerns Over Terms of Service

Mario-Pierre — Tue, 17 Feb 2009 12:41:27 -0000

Both me and my girlfriend are photographers, we used to upload some pretty nice picture up on the site but now, knowing that you can freely distribute our life's work, even with the copyright tag on the picture, that will change everything.

I also have songs from my bands on there, album covers... no this will for sure change the way I use facebook. It was already unappealing with all the damn add-ons and the overcomercialized crrap that was on there and I'm sure you're just going to lose more users over this.

It was running fine before, so why fix something that isn't broken?

Re: Facebook Responds to Concerns Over Terms of Service

Ajax Jones — Tue, 17 Feb 2009 11:24:31 -0000

Wait till google or facebook or newco. roll out automatic face recognition.
Every picture you appear in from now until eternity can be called up
with a simple search or a "looks like" sidebar in some app or other.

How clever will that be when your new employee can see you in the
background shot of a spring break extravaganza or party with some other
unsavoury person in attendance. It's not just YOUR pictures, it is
everyone who uploads a picture that is granting the rights away.

Start now with the elaborate excuses or saving for plastic surgery,
especially if you ever hope to run for a public office oneday.

Re: Facebook Responds to Concerns Over Terms of Service

Leif Skoogfors — Tue, 17 Feb 2009 10:10:39 -0000

To AHP:

They are all ready selling lives. See, again, http://www.digitaljournal.c...

Re: Facebook Responds to Concerns Over Terms of Service

AHP — Tue, 17 Feb 2009 09:59:52 -0000

Y'all are being paranoid.

Terms of service is just a wall against stupid lawsuits by greedy people. It doesn't mean that Facebook would actually sell your photos or anything crazy like that!

Facebook wants to keep people happy, so they keep growing and making money.
Do you really think they'd suddenly turn around and start selling people's lives?
No, because they'd become hated and everyone would leave.

Re: Facebook Responds to Concerns Over Terms of Service

Leif Skoogfors — Tue, 17 Feb 2009 09:47:42 -0000

Facebook is licensing work placed on the site now. Diana Gabrielle O'Brien, an eighteen year model was murdered on an
assignment in China. On a site: http://www.digitaljournal.c... Facebook is listed as the source of her
photograph in the article. And Face book is listed as where the image was licensed from. Licensing, if not in fact,
usually means that a license fee is paid to a copyright holder. I'd like to know if Facebook will continue to license
material provided by Facebook members.

Re: Facebook Responds to Concerns Over Terms of Service

WriterCPA — Tue, 17 Feb 2009 00:47:03 -0000

Now I get why me tech savvy, just made 17 daughter declines to have anything
to do with Facebook. "Mom, I talk to the people I want to. I don't need to
put stuff up there. Who knows what will happen to it?" As far as I can tell
none of her friends have bothered to put things up there -- and these are
bright, hip, young filmmakers. The consensus is that the best way to keep
one's privacy is to be private -- don't put stuff where you can lose control.

So the kids who have truly grown up with the web, who teethed on my mouse,
installed software independently at age 5 (why can't her grandmother?) are
not 100% sold on the brave new world. Sounds a lot like things my 87 yr. old
mother told me about keeping my business to myself.

Kids slightly older than mine jumped in with both feet, only to find
problems when would be employers found out a bit more than they needed to know.
The cohort behind them is a bit more cautious and less trusting.

My daughter's response to the Facebook flap: "I told you so."

Re: Facebook Responds to Concerns Over Terms of Service

Lauren McMullen — Mon, 16 Feb 2009 22:06:55 -0000

This just reminds me of something my grandfather taught me, "never put anything in writing you dont want read in court". Good words to live by I think.
Lauren

Re: Facebook Responds to Concerns Over Terms of Service

Michael Downs — Mon, 16 Feb 2009 20:17:03 -0000

The additional TOS verbiage is a opaque. So, I've taken out extraneous words to show the worst case scenario. These are Facebook's words:

"You grant Facebook an irrevocable, transferable license to publicly display any Content you Post subject only to your privacy settings; and to use your name and image for any purpose, including advertising."

Here is my interpretation of the key points:
1. The grant is irrevocable â€“ Even if Facebook was to subsequently change terms eroding rights further, the content I post to the site subject to these terms is done so irrevocably â€“ no backsies, ever.
2. The grant is transferable â€“ Maybe I trust Facebook, but do I trust all partners they may decide to work with now or in the future? Not so much.
3. Facebookâ€™s use of my content is subject to my privacy settings â€“ While they will honor my privacy settings, given the manner in which they've made these dramatic changes and the irrevocability of the grant, I feel that subsequent erosion is possible.

The Gist:
I value Facebookâ€™s service and will continue to use it to connect with friends. But, I have sanitized my profile to be consistent with my LinkedIn profile â€“ no birth dates, no hometowns, no pics of the kids, etc. Itâ€™s sad b/c the result of this TOS change is, in effect, a significant decrease in site functionality.

Re: Facebook Responds to Concerns Over Terms of Service

SolShine7 — Mon, 16 Feb 2009 19:33:12 -0000

Facebook is sketchy.

Re: Facebook Responds to Concerns Over Terms of Service

Luigi Cappel — Mon, 16 Feb 2009 19:25:56 -0000

Reading through the TPS, it seems to say that FB can take my songs that I have
posted via Reverbnation and any music videos I have uploaded, they can alter
them, adapt them and create derivative works and distribute them across
multiple tiers. I get that they are saying that they won't do anything bad,
but I have copyright over my music. At least I think I do.

If that is correct, what makes it worse with the changes, that even if I no
longer use FaceBook, I have already given them perpetual rights. Is that
correct? This is pretty scary. What exactly does 'multiple tiers' mean? Does
that mean they can distribute my material outside of FB? Within FaceBook is
fine, I uploaded my music in to find people who like my songs and build a
following as a songwriter, but if they want to sell or otherwise use my IP
outside of FaceBook that was far from the intent of my use of FB.

If I read this correctly, then I would have to be warning all people who have
uploaded or are considering uploading music, songs, photos, works of art,
literature and anything else, because it could cost them their livelihood.

It would be nice to have some clarification of the TOS. It may be partly
about the intent. The thing is that most people don't read TOS or understand
it, so there is no informed consent.

Hopefully a spokesperson will clarify some of this information before there
is a mass exodus from FaceBook.

Re: Facebook Responds to Concerns Over Terms of Service

kortina — Mon, 16 Feb 2009 19:22:24 -0000

I can't believe anyone cares about this. "we live in public"