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So awesome that you bring this up because it can actually be world changing.
In fact, a project that Peter Gabriel is involved in has shown that atrocities
in third world countries went down after people had ability to record events
and share them with the world.
http://www.ted.com/index.php/talks/peter_gabrie...
Keep on rocking the intertubes with the mashable effect. Use it for good,
and not for evil.
@isfan
There is so much political correctness already in the world that social media
forcing us to be nicer to our fellow man would be a great thing in superficial
interactions. But when it comes down to letting someone know exactly how we
feel, how vulnerable we are, how expressive (or not) we can be, that's really
the spice of life. It teaches us far more about ourselves than mere niceties
ever could.
being defined, in this instance as: The immediate public scrutiny
of behavior executed over traceable media.
My answer: No. It may inspire greater self-censorship, but ‘social
Media’ won't inspire hearts to greater purity.
Mr. Cashmore follows his initial question with: “Might it actually make
us…nicer to one another?â€
My answer: Sure. However, flattery shouldn't be confused with altruism.
It already promotes rules of responsibility, respect and humor, it breaks
secrecy, isolation and fear, it affects the collective without creating a Borg,
emphasizing the value of individuality, communication and help...it already
broke the chains of slavery by people being able to reach out to strangers.
It broke the pyramid of control.
Don't expect social media to make us better, it's just a reflection of real society. The same rules and behaviours apply. For example, a quick glance at YouTube will show you what people will say when given the cover of anonymity. The same goes for any other online forum...
broadens the reality of the extent of our failures, which most humans abhor.
So, the accountability, responsibility and awareness that many tout about
the social media experiment duplicates the same superficial shit society has
always been obsessed with.
In some ways it's worse than suburban fakery since body language cannot be
read on Facebook.
Which is why social media is a wonderful thing to manipulate for fattening
wallets.
Great post Pete...
Bert
post tonight. I was literally thinking about this very topic sitting in church tonight (Fellowship Church of Grapevine, TX). My church pastor and our associate pastors Twitter, even during church!! They twitter the excitement, energy, current Word - really cool stuff. Anyway, I was realizing thqat will all the avalanche of EVERYONE jumping on the SNA trains, I think it has the ability to help us become more authentic and transparent. I think it also has the opportunity to help us knock off the constant human weakness of back-stabbing, back-biting, gossiping, letting our emotions cuase us to say stupid things about someone who hurts us. It takes a nano-second for something we say to reach round the world (kinda like that famous shot on April 19, 1775). I think it helps us take a deep breath and think twice realizing that we have no idea who may be reading our thoughts and emotions. Interesting times we live in today!
I would argue that human weakness IS authentic.
And the desire to control every single item one says and does is the
embodiment of artificiality.
You become what you assume 'those' who may be reading your thoughts and
emotions desire you to be, rather than a more pure expression of who you are
which WILL include weakness.
No argument - you make a few excellent points, especially that human weakness
is authentic! I cannot stand pretension and pretensious, pious, self-righteous
"Christians" are the WORST!!
Let me make my point more clearly, I am bad about getting ticked off about stuff
that isn't even a deal in the grand scheme of things and I'll go let out my
anger and angst by telling someone who in turn will tell someone else, etc. It
isn't ever worth all the excessive drama and needless pain it brings about. I
guess it is fresh on my bloginion (blog opinion) because I just blew off some
steam about a colleague in an SNA I belong to and before I knew it a mutual friend
joined that network and the person I originally ranted and raved asked about
the network and wanted to join it. For me, the lesson learned was that we live
in a glass house society and I need to learn to keep my immature, impulsive
mouth shut! It was a very self-centered need to go in and blow off steam in
a room full of strangers. I could have received the same support and encouragement
as well as professional growth advice without ever having gone into the details
of the scenario.
Make sense?
In other words - IT'S A SMALL WORLD AFTER ALL! (That was my favorite DisneyLand
ride when I was a girl living in LA, you'd think I would have taken that as a
prophetic hint for my adult life! LOL)
I don’t believe social media make us any better or worse than we are in the ‘real’ world. Yes, to an extent, there are those who try to disguise their characters to present themselves in a better light, but I don’t believe such a ruse is sustainable over the long term (the truth will out, as it were). IMHO, online behavior is reflective of who a person really is, illuminating positive traits and exacerbating negative traits.
People who are genuinely kind, outgoing, helpful, etc, will likely remain so on social media sites. Those who behave politely face-to-face but turn around and backstab no doubt will behave much the same way in the seeming anonymity of the Internet. That is, they may be courteous initially but revert to character. Then, there are those individuals who are nasty whether live or on the Web; however, the Internet provides a medium in which many of these latter people feel free to let their worst traits spill over, again because of the seeming anonymity.
other. ;-)
That said: I do believe that civilization advances over the long term. I
believe that overall the world is a better, more civilized place than it was
1000 or 500 years ago. And yes the internet is a piece of that...but we need
to take a realistic view of it.
The internet, and social media specifically, are a new powerful tool.
People who are able to use that tool effectively will have a new way to
defend themselves and their causes by bringing attention to their point
of view -- they have a new channel for making their case.
However: social media is very susceptible (as humans are) to the issues of
charisma, celebrity status, and image manipulation. Some people have a gift
of communication online -- they can make sh*t look like gold. And vice versa --
people with legitimate issues and grievances can't get attention because
they don't know how to do good PR -- they don't know how to make their
issue "sexy."
So there's a risk that internet/social media will simply become another
arena where style triumphs over substance, where important issues get
ignored in favor of titillating trivia. Postman's still right: we're still
very much at risk of entertaining ourselves to death.
That said: I love online culture and social media. But let's not get
ahead of ourselves by believing that a new tool/environment is some
guaranteed uplift for human nature. (After all, they thought that
about television too -- see how that one played out?)
It's not that simple. Social media are changing the power dynamics. But
that doesn't mean power issues go away, or that abuses of power and
injustice go away or become impossible to perform.
BTW science fiction novels deal w/ this a lot -- sometimes I get the feeling
that a lot of social media people need to read more sci fi. Nobody can
read Rainbows End, Pattern Recognition or Spook Country and
still believe that increased virtualization and ubiquitous communications will
inevitably result in people behaving better towards each other.
While the Social Media platform encourages us to be nice to each
other, I'm not sure this automatically makes us better people.
Some thoughts...
1) We're nice because we self-regulate:
Social Media communities do a fairly good job of self-regulating user behavior,
typically resulting in constructive communications. Put simply, the majority
of responsible users effectively manage the few who aren't.
2.) We're nice because we adhere to social constraints:
Most people are keenly aware of maintaining positive personal brands they
would be proud to share with anyone, from employers to families. Thus, the
negative consequences of poor behavior serve as deterrents.
3.) Some of us may be nice because we're afraid:
People in closed societies are often afraid to offend those in control.
Communication might be nice, but not honest.
So, no, I don't believe Social Media necessarily makes us better people because
we're nicer to each other, or more polite. But I do think it has the potential
to facilitate increased communication,which can engender increased
understanding and tolerance. And that just might make us better people who
also happen to be nice. :-)
thanks for bringing this up, as I consider this to be an important issue.
Unfortunately I don't think that it will turn us all into nice people, at least
not in the short-run. However I do think that it makes it more difficult to
get away with not being nice, which is positive.
Furthermore the media makes it easier to find and follow nice people. This can
also be positive, since it is part of human nature to follow (or be followed).
Think about how much more successful Gandhi could have been globally, had he
had a blog, Twitter, Facebook etc. at his disposal.
So in the long-run there is hope.
porting the function of monitoring and browbeating and punishing to
people. I don't see this positive at all. The incidents you describe here
of various public figures having their careers ruined actually show that
this sort of outsourced hate isn't making people better. Those people
did not deserve to have their lives ruined over one incident or case of
bad judgement merely because of the amplification of social media.
The character of those anonymous judgemental types who can destroy others
so malicious really is in question.
The other side of the coin is that some people will ignore the people who "break the rules", while other similar minded people will find each other and the group of "social outlaws" who do everything that breaks one group's rules will be totally accepted in another group.
There are no "rules" for using social media, but that's what makes it great. People can use it however they want to. They will attract the people that agree with those ways, or they'll simply ignore, de-friend, unsubscribe, or otherwise disconnect from people they don't want to socialize with.
Social media may, however, bring us closer to one another.
A long time ago when people lived in small communities like villages, you didn't have a choice. Everyone knew your business and you knew everyone else's business. The question of privacy and publicity wasn't there at all. Social media may have something to do with this village idea.
but lacks vitality and reality.
Many seem to think that this kind of interaction CREATES respect, kindness,
honesty and love when in fact it DOESN'T.
Social media merely creates aggregates of like-minded individuals who are
intolerant of differentials.
You are artificially being led to believe YOUR group is precious and pious
and consists of large numbers of changed individuals.
I don't believe this for one second. You have rejected those who rub wrongly,
you coalesce around specific themes of conformity and by doing so you create
a more perfect union of similarity not possible in neighborhoods of wood
and plastic.
It is total bullshit to think social media makes us BETTER.
It makes us compliant and less than authentic, especially since most of
society is pack-oriented and seeks acceptance.
(with all due respect, Rona) wink
with @conniereece and others moving their hosting to other vendors.
Quick mob action isn't always a bad thing!
the first four SF books people should read, if they're working in
social media -- and why fiction books can be useful for envisioning
the future. Post is here: http://bit.ly/ncLBp
If you want real change, it happens from the inside out, not from the outside in.
So while we could argue that placing video camera inside everyone's home and place of work would make for a better society, all we really do is subject people to live in fear. Fear doesn't make people better; it steals away their freedoms. Good people don't act good because they feel they have to act good. Good people act good because they make it part of their nature.
Now, go be good because you choose to, not because you have to.
All my best,
Rich
society you speak of?
only you said it in many fewer words - short and concise, to the point! Thank
you for your post, that puts it in perspective for me and I could not agree
with you more!
more personal information online than is already available.
Don't become comatose to the fact that many people still value their privacy,
no matter how f'ing boring it is.
MY privacy, on the other hand, is rated triple X which makes it entirely
unacceptable for many places online.
Lots of information should be left whence it came- boring or
otherwise.
for over 3 years now. I recently had to do some PR on a closed forum where
people hide behind false names. The experience was harrowing. There were
personal attacks made on me for no reason except ignorance and exactly
because they were anonymous. Should these (generally male) people have
been on Facebook they would not have been so nasty. Its an absolute fact
that social networking sites like Facebook promote civility, openness, honesty
and friendly, good behaviour.
Consensus of opinion rules too e.g. Twitter .. if someones trying to hard
sell you they simply won't be followed. end of story.
I think the opposite is happening people choose what to write on twitter and facebook.
This does not change how they behave in real world situations.
Seems like more propaganda from the tehcnocrazzi. Twitter and other services like it are actually another barrier to real and meaningful communication.
Twitter especially is like a grand mass delusion where everyone thinks people acutally care when they are watering the lawn or taking out the trash or whatever. Its insanity. Reminds me of the game on stark trek that takes over the ship and everyone is walking around like a zombie.
People talkin about apps that know where you are according to your phone...
Wait til they embed credit card chips in us...
How about Enemy of the State? ...and more recently... Eagle Eye?
The less "you are online", the better. ; )
way people communicate. Everything is trackable, employers are looking at it
and importantly people are utilising it to learn and to network.
to have us listen to the conversation and absorb multiple points of view before
we voice our own opinion. This allows us to have a richer and more nuanced
conversation than we ordinarily would.
bringing people together in all sorts of new ways with no
rules - but they brought out all manner of human beings.
What social media may do now that marketers are becoming aware of them
is make the conversations louder and wider, make the mainstream aware
of what the 'geeks' have been doing for years - but it won't really
change human nature; it may change society in terms of making us more
aware of being watched, recorded, monitored.. but I can't see it
really changing human nature.
Ultimately, humans are sociable animals, and in general I like to
think that we're inherently friendly, trustworthy and honest people.
The *principles* of social media are nothing new - we've been
communicating for thousands of years, and social media is making the
world smaller and more like local communities, so emulating a lot of
what humans are about anyway.
It's making us more connected to people further away, not necessarily "better".
You are segregating yourself from the entirety of reality. Reality has not changed.
If anything, hanging out on social networking sites where you endlessly write about yourself and tally up immense numbers of "friends" with whom you never truly make contact has made people more shallow and self-centered.
If you're totally into social networking, you will see it as a force for positive change in the world. Me, I see it as a form of light entertainment.
You should narrow up this form by about 15 columns. The textarea is so wide that the words you are typing disappear off the edge of the earth, so you can't read what you're typing, at least in Firefox.
it is a forum which allows individuals to express their 'selves' and whilst
it can be used for the greater good, that will depend solely on who is using
the medium and why.
A recent example could be the mass fraud online in relation to the fabrication
of evidence on the Palestine/Israel conflict. The net allows people to indulge
their points of view and therein lies the paradox: some people can express
their beliefs with full honesty whilst others choose not to.
The personal choices we make play out in the medium we use. I believe that
cyberspace has huge potential for unmasking social ills but that it faces all
the same problems that a non-virtual arena faces: human vulnerability.
Before we can connect meaningfully to the internet, we need to hardwire our
brains to the truth, or at least to the pursuit of it.
ultimately, will depend on human behavior. If there's one constant in the
digital age, it's that it's ever changing and unpredictable. We could always
go the way of "Idiocracy", I suppose.
of our faces. But that, ultimately, will depend on human behavior. If there's one constant in the
digital age, it's that it's ever changing and unpredictable. We could always
go the way of "Idiocracy", I suppose.
becoming "better people" and it is arguable if we are, indeed, even
nicer in public due to the SM toolkit.
People use tools, not the other way around, and we at heart the people we are
regardless of the tools we use.
SM makes it easier to be good or bad in the scalable sense, but there's
nothing inherently good -- or bad about SM.
People fear the loss of a privacy. You don't need to reveal every detail of your life, but social media makes it easy to get a sense of who a person is by what they share and how they live. Ultimately, if you're a good person, there's nothing to hide and no fear to be had.
opportunities for reaching a greater public and also the initial capability for alter egos and anonymity.
So behavior will reflect the choice and range of contacts as well as type of interaction
preferred (family, friends, business, interest groups). After an initial rush of
enthusiasm in making contacts (and how many still see plain counting as an objective in
itself), longer use of any network introduces a natural selection to those contacts of
real interest.
As humans, we readily adapt to different social situations, so the behavior will be
determined by the conventions of whichever group you are interacting with at the time.
As social animals we are also very susceptible to peer pressure and the avoidance of
exclusion by breaking the conventions of a group. My feeling is therefore that social
media do not necessarily make better people, they will make us better communicators in
a variety of networks.
Same fish, bigger pond?
When we think we are being watched, taped, and remembered at every moment its important to be thoughtful and behave in a socially acceptable manner. Good or bad? Definitely limiting.
If you’ve been a bosshole and attempt to get a high-level job at a public institution (and the job search is public), you will have trouble now that the Internet is available to all your victims.
And the attempt of newspaper chains in the ’80s to drive out competitors, thereby making the newshole of a newspaper merely the gray matter that flowed around the ads instead of a competitive forum for democracy, has itself been destroyed by ubiquitous blogs and alternative information (as a journalist who witnessed this, I am laughing at the chains as they continue to lose subscribers – it is their karma coming home to roost.)
Yes, there’s a lot of bad info out there now. That’s the risk. Yes, bad outcomes can be expected if a “mob rule†mentality overtakes a group. Yes, cyberbullying is a bad thing and can have dreadful (suicide of teens) outcomes. Not having access to a wide and vast array of information, or having information controlled by the power elite, is worse in my opinion.
it makes the younger generation more cosmopolitan.
Gen Y is the _most_ likely to feel like a "citizen of the world".
However, the conditions which facilitate cooperation and empathy are not inherent
to social media: we can barricade ourselves in niche groups as easily as expand our social circle.
I think there's certainly potential given the right system.
@wikiworld
think of examples of social media being used positively and negatively.
But in my experience the "tone" of Twitter and other community forums has been
generally positive and used by people genuinely wanting to help and learn from
one another. This is great to see!
While social media can't "make" us better people, but it can certainly help if
we choose to use it for this purpose.
we learn that what we do is seen and matters. This leads to better behavior.
people and information you want, it could be helpful. We can make nice
firendships all over the world and keep ourselves well informed! It is cool!
people and information you want, it could be helpful. We can make nice
friendships all over the world and keep ourselves well informed! It is cool!
Are we better people due to social media is an interesting question. Being
more aware of each other and the world around us should improve the human
condition, but people are still people. Some will be more affected by this
than others, some it probably will not change at all. I do wonder, is this
leading us to have less face to face communication, which would be a loss.
RT
www.anonymity.eu.tc
The funds raised for the recent fires in the South came partly from people who witnessed the aftermath through social media, and it came fast. The death threats and exposed identities of arsonists also happened online, on Facebook.
Social media allows us to act on whatever we want, faster and more effectively than ever. We got more funds for that incident than we could have hoped for otherwise, and the facebook groups are being shut down. Better people in this instance.
like every other. Let's not fool ourselves. There are the myspace murder
incidents, the ability to communally ostracize someone publicly has great
repercussions. It just amplifies current social values.
Undoubtedly, there are numerous benefits to social media. Having people's private
lives come out has positives and negatives...
The question shouldn't be "what can we do to use social media to bring out the
best sides of ourselves, and minimize the negative stuff"...
And that's a good question - something that I haven't spent close to enough time
on.
(It's mostly been spent simply using the social media ;) )
http://www.foxbusiness.com/story/markets/als-em...
ethical action. If you want a particularly Buddhist take on this whole issue check out
http://www.21awake.com/?p=465
One of the greatest advantages of any social media website, is the ability of the community to influence mainstream. Whether it's Twitter, Facebook, or AppleBlotter --- people discover new people, groups, communities that interest them and share similar interests.
All that said, I think many people act differently but not necessarily as a different person. Being aware of things can be a form of enlightenment, no? Handling and what you do with that enlightenment is the real question.
The web has created the possibility for a kind of crowd sourced big brother. Big Brother doesn't become some burecratic and institutionalised entity, it becomes the will of sections of society.
This creates a whole new dystopian vision. As it seems to suggest less possibility for true self determination and free will, Social media being a more efficient and
effective means of keeping society in check, in an age of increasing population and urbanisation.
It is worth noting though that the ratio to consumer contributor on the web is incredibly small ranging from .2% (youtube) to 5% (wikipedia) at best.
Overall, it points to the increased need for reflexive web use, with a degree of caution and vigilance with regard to what one says on websites.
see; relativemusings.blogspot.com
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