This is the worst article I've ever seen Mashable write. Where's the real time search? I don't see it. FriendFeed has it. I just Tweeted. My Tweet is already on FriendFeed, but it isn't on Cliqset yet. So it's not real time. And where are people on the service? On FriendFeed I can easily find other people to add to my FriendFeed. Not here. Come on, let's do some better headlines or at least make them accurate. This is a really lame headline and a really lame article.
Daniel J. Pritchett
· 1 month ago
Ouch. If Cliqset has a shinier UI and more intuitive access to core features then there's an argument that Cliqset *is* better than FF for some users. The reasons that you (and I) love FF are mostly architecture related, not chrome.
I hope Warren isn't too discouraged by this feedback - the brief overview of Cliqset and why the average Mashable reader might want to try it is fairly accurate. It's only the "and way better than FF" part that's questionable.
Scobleizer
· 1 month ago
Sorry, this is in reply to Daniel, sorry for the double posting: But if it is only an aggregator it will fail far worse a fate than FriendFeed. First of all it's two years too late. Second of all, people just really don't need an aggregator and FriendFeed is "good enough" for most people and I don't see that this brings any really needed new features to the aggregator table.
I want a curation engine, not another lame aggregator. We've had enough of those. SocialThing. Jaiku. FriendFeed, etc.
Scobleizer
· 1 month ago
But if it is only an aggregator it will fail far worse a fate than FriendFeed. First of all it's two years too late. Second of all, people just really don't need an aggregator and FriendFeed is "good enough" for most people and I don't see that this brings any really needed new features to the aggregator table.
I want a curation engine, not another lame aggregator. We've had enough of those. SocialThing. Jaiku. FriendFeed, etc.
Scobleizer
· 1 month ago
What the hell? Christina just tweeted: "Oh FriendFeed Mafia. Calling people who don't get your service dumb is a real way to win friends and influence people." Tweet here: http://twitter.com/film_girl/status/4840409568
This has nothing to do with getting FriendFeed or not. It has to do with accuracy in JOURNALISM. It's clear you didn't do your homework. This industry needs better journalism and needs people to admit when they make a mistake (I do that all the time).
FriendFeed has real time search. Cliqset does not. FriendFeed has users. Cliqset does not (and I can't find any, either, except to spam my contact list and beg). FriendFeed is real time (tweets go from Twitter to FriendFeed in less than a second). Cliqset does not get tweets in real time. FriendFeed has many other features too, but I've made my point. This article is 100% incorrect. Cliqset might be a nice aggregator (actually, it does show some promise there) but it is 100% wrong to say it's "FriendFeed Done Right."
THAT is bad journalism. Thanks for realizing that and lashing out at your audience that is pointing out that YOU ARE WRONG.
Ben Parr, is this what we'll come to expect on Mashable from now on?
Adam Ostrow
· 1 month ago
Robert, as the editor of this article, in retrospect I think the headline may not have been the best choice. The story is certainnly more a review of Cliqset, not a feature-by-feature comparison with FriendFeed.
What we were trying to get at is it seems like there is an opportunity to fill the void FF has left (see: http://www.centernetworks.com/anyone-still-usin...), though mind you, that opportunity might not be that big as aggregation has not proved hugely popular, and we should have been more clear about why we're making the comparison.
"Done Right" in the way I was thinking about it means a product that may have more appeal to a wider audience, as simplicity has certainly won out most of the time in recent history. But indeed, if we're to make such a statement we need to a better job explaining why it's better than what we're comparing it to.
Lesson learned.
Scobleizer
· 1 month ago
Cool, but now you need to address the inaccuracy of Christina's Tweet. She said people called her dumb. She said there's a "FriendFeed mafia." I learned about this article on Twitter, I don't use FriendFeed that much anymore. But that's beside the point. I can't find anyone calling Christina "dumb." I certainly didn't. I said this was bad journalism. That does NOT mean that Christina is dumb. I feel she owes the community an apology for attacking them without realizing her journalism was substandard and her comments that made it clear she hasn't used FriendFeed very much (her FriendFeed stats prove that too) make it worse.
Plus, you've marked Cliqset as a "clone" of FriendFeed forever. That's not fair to them, either.
Aggregators are aplenty anyway. SocialThing. Jaiku. Etc Etc.
I wish this industry would do something really unique.
Oh, and if Christina doesn't get FriendFeed I can't wait to see her review of Google Wave. Oh, sorry, that was a cheap shot. It's Tuesday. Shoot me.
Understand the goal. Many people are trying to fill a perceived gap with a similar product. The major issue is that the author's comments regarding FriendFeed were frankly incorrect and should be edited. Her follow-on tone that she didn't use the service much indicated she didn't have enough data at her disposal to make a thorough comparison. If things are wrong, they should be made right with an update.
tad
· 1 month ago
I think the problem here is if the inaccuracies are corrected the entire tone of the article will have to be changed, and the very premise of the headline will be even more ridiculous. "Cliqset: FriendFeed Done Right" because I said so.
tad
· 1 month ago
There's still the fact that a lot of the "shortcomings" of FriendFeed pointed out in this article are simply not true. I'd like to see those addressed as well.
adamhirsch
· 1 month ago
Well, we can all agree on one thing. FriendFeed has the more passionate community...
orchid8
· 1 month ago
So...Cliqset is better than FriendFeed because you don't...get...FriendFeed? I see.
tad
· 1 month ago
I'm not sure what's wrong with FriendFeed. What does this do that Friend Feed can't again? Instead this article seems to show a lack of use of FriendFeed.
Christina Warren
· 1 month ago
That might be true -- and I've never been the biggest FriendFeed proponent (but I've had an account basically since the beginning). This is easier. This is easier and it has a Boxee app. But the ideas of the service are similar, yes.
Daniel J. Pritchett
· 1 month ago
Tad is right that those features have been in FF for a good while. You can always rebut with Scoble's complaint about "imperfect affordances" in FF: http://friendfeed.com/scobleizer/cdde7b28/why-f... If a feature is coded in the forest and nobody notices, did it ever really exist?
tad
· 1 month ago
Before suggesting that FriendFeed was unable to do some of the things you mentioned, you should have done a bit more research. If you had asked in any of the pertinent rooms, we (the FF community) would have been happy to help. Articles like this perpetuate myths. Perhaps the title could have been "Cliqset: FriendFeed done for a simpler audience."
Scobleizer
· 1 month ago
It's easier because it has no features. No real time. No real time search. No people.
Louis Gray
· 1 month ago
Exactly. It's like saying the Yugo is BMW done right. But it's easier to drive because there are fewer options!
Jason H
· 1 month ago
No real-time? They have real-time activities and commenting. No search though.
marfi
· 1 month ago
The best part about this article are actually the comments, as I like to say - truth is born via discussion and birth to a very grotesque truth has just been given, and the truth is, that a lot of smart people lost their time, reading a lousy report about a new service, which might not be lousy, but being lousy described, will eventually be given such a name :)
Brandon
· 1 month ago
From your description I don't see how this is in anyway 'different' than FriendFeed. You can control what you want to see via FriendFeed lists, groups, settings, etc.
Christina Warren
· 1 month ago
This is way easier to control what you can see. Like, you can choose if you just want to view certain types of content (or exclude certain types) and you can pause your stream. Plus, you don't get inundated with the whole long conversation happening on a post that you might not be interested in. It's nice.
tad
· 1 month ago
What are you talking about? You can do all of that in FriendFeed right now, and have been for quite a while. Have you ever used FriendFeed?
Scobleizer
· 1 month ago
Interesting, on FriendFeed I have 50,000 friends and most of them had no trouble figuring out there was a "hide" button that let you choose which services from people you want to see. Reporters need to know their technology better than, say, Oprah does. Come on!
digideth
· 1 month ago
I am sorry but I agree with Christina.
If the common person (she is far from common btw) can't figure it our EASILY its the developers PROBLEM not the users.
Bad user interface design
So far i have been with both services since the begining and I am happier using Cliqset.
Lochnload
· 1 month ago
I fear for the word 'friends'.
Social media has reduced its meaning to 50,000 people I don’t know and have never met.
Louis Gray
· 1 month ago
Good question, Tad. I would assume that if you were going to claim that X service was Y service done right, you would have to be familiar with service Y.
Christina Warren
· 1 month ago
I have -- I've had an account since the beginning, but I wasn't aware you could do anything that granular. I guess if you don't know that those features exist (and I didn't), to me that's a problem.
DesignFirms
· 1 month ago
What's going to happen when there are too many different sites/networks to keep up with?
brian fanslau
· 1 month ago
We will all explode? No. People need to spend 95% of their time doing what they do best and what they enjoy. Be smart with your own time and if that means less time on Social Networks then do so and hire someone who knows their stuff to keep you where YOU need to be.
You said: "The influx of information" and "the inability to control what you see" were reasons that FriendFeed's success is limited?
If you sign up to FriendFeed, you get zero updates until YOU add people. And you only see what you choose to see. FriendFeed gives you more control to see what you want than any other site out there. You can hide individual services in aggregate or by user. You can hide comments from specific people. You can move people to lists you don't view. Those comments above invalidate the entire article.
Dee
· 1 month ago
Well, I tried Cliqset a while ago and well -- it didn't click [pardon the pun] well with me. Then it disappeared, so now. . . it's back? Okay, I'm taking your word for it -- cuz Mashable is KING! -- no, I'm not being sarcastic, I really do trust you guys/gals at Mashable.
Trace Cohen
· 1 month ago
Did Facebook purchase the wrong company... hmmmmm
RyanHirsch
· 1 month ago
Apparently you haven't used FriendFeed. Facebook knows whats going on, that is real-time web and FriendFeed is amazing at it.
Trace Cohen
· 1 month ago
Totally agree, was just being sarcastic. I trust in Facebook.
RyanHirsch
· 1 month ago
I frequently lose sarcasm in plain text and based on the general stance of the article ...
wins55
· 1 month ago
I have accounts in both, I think, for now, FriendFeed has people and CliqSet is building its base. CliqSet help-response is superior.
Ata İsmet Özçelik
· 1 month ago
Totally agree to Robert here. I think people always assume that to praise one web site one must criticise a popular and relatively similar web site, which is wrong in my case..
Goatse
· 1 month ago
Pretty impressive but I don't see it taking off. The name is horrible and I hate the design. also my 2nd photo didnt upload and neither times did it post to my twitter or facebook. looks like its buggy. nice idea though.
I expect next week we'll see a post "Cliqset done right"
umar
· 1 month ago
Friendfeed has made easy to talk to each other
copey
· 1 month ago
Does this site pull in your friends activity from other social networks? That was the thing I never got about FriendFeed, it aggregated MY activity and then others could subscribe to it? meaning I'd have yet another site to have to build up a "friend-base" in order for it to be of any use. If this pulled in all my networks Facebook newsfeed activity, Twitter stream, last.fm likes, google reader shared items it would seem like a brilliant idea. With the ability to comment and like, RT and share all within this one interface rather than visiting individual sites or have individual apps running that would make these services all the more worthwhile. Similiar to FriendBinder (but the interface is so blah) or the Unbound column of Threadsy. If this functionality already lies in this or friendfeed, some please correct me and let me cause i'd love to check it out.
Lochnload
· 1 month ago
Ok. Shows over. Nothing to see here. Move along... There will be something else to comment on in 5, 4, 3 , 2 ....
MILE
· 1 month ago
I pretty much agree with Christina on her criticism of friendfeed -- it is clunky, bloated, the UI sucks and I personally find it hardly usable…! I know that many people (besides Mr. Scoble) on the net think it's the best service ever, but I still think it will always stay a niche product…
I'd really like to see something that aggregates all the many social services we're all using nowadays -- in a usable and pleasant way…! Not sure if Cliqset is it, but it can't be a worse user experience than friendfeed…
Lochnload
· 1 month ago
you got to love this - @ Scobleizer "I asked Robert how much time he actually spends on those services. He monitors them all day, he said, hitting refresh over and over on both (he doesn’t use desktop clients to manage the services, and he says he doesn’t like real-time streaming feature on Friendfeed)." source -http://bit.ly/mylB
Now he says against Cliqset is no good because "FriendFeed is real time" -Scobleizer
Now i'm really confused lol.
Scobleizer - which side of the argument will get you more pub today ?
facebook-509124884
· 1 month ago
The Air app for it doesn't work for me. It seems broken
gabriel1970
· 1 month ago
I signed up after seeing this article but I accidentally added two blogspot blogs to my "services" section, one of which is not my own. I could not find out how to remove it. So I poked around, and I also couldn't find a way to delete the Cliqset account.
NO MORE, PLEASE NO MORE! I have FriendFeed, TweetBackup, Twistory. I'm tired of these things.
jmwilliams
· 1 month ago
After all this back and forth I hope there isn't backlash towards Cliqset. They need every chance to make it without an uninformed blogger ruining things for them.
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I hope Warren isn't too discouraged by this feedback - the brief overview of Cliqset and why the average Mashable reader might want to try it is fairly accurate. It's only the "and way better than FF" part that's questionable.
I want a curation engine, not another lame aggregator. We've had enough of those. SocialThing. Jaiku. FriendFeed, etc.
I want a curation engine, not another lame aggregator. We've had enough of those. SocialThing. Jaiku. FriendFeed, etc.
This has nothing to do with getting FriendFeed or not. It has to do with accuracy in JOURNALISM. It's clear you didn't do your homework. This industry needs better journalism and needs people to admit when they make a mistake (I do that all the time).
FriendFeed has real time search. Cliqset does not.
FriendFeed has users. Cliqset does not (and I can't find any, either, except to spam my contact list and beg).
FriendFeed is real time (tweets go from Twitter to FriendFeed in less than a second). Cliqset does not get tweets in real time.
FriendFeed has many other features too, but I've made my point. This article is 100% incorrect. Cliqset might be a nice aggregator (actually, it does show some promise there) but it is 100% wrong to say it's "FriendFeed Done Right."
THAT is bad journalism. Thanks for realizing that and lashing out at your audience that is pointing out that YOU ARE WRONG.
Ben Parr, is this what we'll come to expect on Mashable from now on?
What we were trying to get at is it seems like there is an opportunity to fill the void FF has left (see: http://www.centernetworks.com/anyone-still-usin...), though mind you, that opportunity might not be that big as aggregation has not proved hugely popular, and we should have been more clear about why we're making the comparison.
"Done Right" in the way I was thinking about it means a product that may have more appeal to a wider audience, as simplicity has certainly won out most of the time in recent history. But indeed, if we're to make such a statement we need to a better job explaining why it's better than what we're comparing it to.
Lesson learned.
Plus, you've marked Cliqset as a "clone" of FriendFeed forever. That's not fair to them, either.
Aggregators are aplenty anyway. SocialThing. Jaiku. Etc Etc.
I wish this industry would do something really unique.
Oh, and if Christina doesn't get FriendFeed I can't wait to see her review of Google Wave. Oh, sorry, that was a cheap shot. It's Tuesday. Shoot me.
--> http://easiertounderstandthanwave.com/
;)))
If the common person (she is far from common btw) can't figure it our EASILY its the developers PROBLEM not the users.
Bad user interface design
So far i have been with both services since the begining and I am happier using Cliqset.
Social media has reduced its meaning to 50,000 people I don’t know and have never met.
http://smithereensblog.blogspot.com/2008/07/int...
(No, not trying to spam. Just making a joke.)
If you sign up to FriendFeed, you get zero updates until YOU add people. And you only see what you choose to see. FriendFeed gives you more control to see what you want than any other site out there. You can hide individual services in aggregate or by user. You can hide comments from specific people. You can move people to lists you don't view. Those comments above invalidate the entire article.
also my 2nd photo didnt upload and neither times did it post to my twitter or facebook.
looks like its buggy. nice idea though.
I expect next week we'll see a post "Cliqset done right"
I'd really like to see something that aggregates all the many social services we're all using nowadays -- in a usable and pleasant way…! Not sure if Cliqset is it, but it can't be a worse user experience than friendfeed…
"I asked Robert how much time he actually spends on those services. He monitors them all day, he said, hitting refresh over and over on both (he doesn’t use desktop clients to manage the services, and he says he doesn’t like real-time streaming feature on Friendfeed)."
source -http://bit.ly/mylB
Now he says against Cliqset is no good because "FriendFeed is real time" -Scobleizer
Now i'm really confused lol.
Scobleizer - which side of the argument will get you more pub today ?
I can help you get the blog removed.It's actually very easy to do.
I'm on cliqset http://cliqset.com/user/rockinrobync
Thanks
I have FriendFeed, TweetBackup, Twistory.
I'm tired of these things.